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Why is Polaris so Polarizing? Will it be a positive or a negative for AMD? Stay tuned!
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Dunno, dont care. Im just sick and tired of nvidia dirty tricks that kills performance in older graphics with each newer drivers.
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I seem to recall a lot of mark-up back then and 290Xs costing more than 780Tis (like $900 even if MSRP was less) even at regular retailers like newegg. I was in the market back then and didn't get one because of the unavailability without mark-up. Instead I bought a second card and went SLI. I do still believe mining terribly hurt their longer term gaming market share.
Yeah they boosted the price up but then a few months later they were all ditching cards on 2nd hand market as mining was no longer profitable with GPUs and all those cards from 28x and 29x series were all over 2nd hand market just flooding it. That's where I got my almost new 280x for 60% of it's new price.

Problem is Nvidia has a lot of marketing hype and since no one could go down from 28nm Nvidia made Maxwell on 28nm which is now reborn on 16nm as Pascal. While AMD said screw it and just refreshed older GPUs and focused on the HBM2/Fiji technological marvel/advancement that Nvidia can't be bothered with, and I think their R&D expenses are also much lower than Nvidia's hence they are unfortunately always slower with getting new stuff to market frown.gif or just have to skip on making a new architecture altogether or rather invest in a more future oriented R&D. They also get volume from consoles and overall there is a nice plan of parallelism, smaller dies, higher yields, as they can't compete with Intel on single core IPC or with Nvidia in DX11, and overall the power really is in parallel computation so that's where IMHO they are going, Mantle, Liquid VR, Vulkan, forcing MS to make DX12 or be left out, bringing HBM to products, ...
It's sort of a transition period now where low level APIs and the unification with consoles is taking some time. But once it's done the AMD CPUs and GPUs will be very competitive with Intel+Nvidia. Also notice how Nvidia has only a tiny market share overall in GPU market and they are desperately trying to even get out of it to automobiles, they know their days can easily get numbered, which would be a shame, I do like competition between companies.

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Nvidia drivers... nothing special, had their card and there was not a single driver that would work flawlessly in all the games and apps I had, not one. And the newer drivers were even slower or not supported my GPU outright anymore, like yeah WTH Nvidia. Saved my old driver with best overall performance and never updated it from then on. They kind of killed the 7 series.

Other than issues caused by ASUS I have not had driver issues or artifacts caused by drivers with a 280x.
Edited by JackCY - 6/10/16 at 2:41pm
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Dunno, dont care. Im just sick and tired of nvidia dirty tricks that kills performance in older graphics with each newer drivers.

Then start buying AMD smile.gif. Your performance goes up every driver release!
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Then start buying AMD smile.gif. Your performance goes up every driver release!
I know, i had radeons. Thought ill try a nvidia for a change.
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Again it would not matter.

Why do you keep on saying it would not have mattered? If AMD was able to keep supply chain fed it would have satisfied the miners as they would keep purchases going, and for the 'gamer' they could pick the AMD card over GTX780/770.
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Why do you keep on saying it would not have mattered? If AMD was able to keep supply chain fed it would have satisfied the miners as they would keep purchases going, and for the 'gamer' they could pick the AMD card over GTX780/770.

Miners would have bought nearly all of the inventory regardless. They were buying HUNDREDS of cards per customer already.
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Miners would have bought nearly all of the inventory regardless. They were buying HUNDREDS of cards per customer already.

Exactly.
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Why do you keep on saying it would not have mattered? If AMD was able to keep supply chain fed it would have satisfied the miners as they would keep purchases going, and for the 'gamer' they could pick the AMD card over GTX780/770.

You can't keep a supply chain fed under those conditions.

It takes months from the point of a GPU chip being fabbed to the end point of a card ending up on the shelf. 4-6 months at that time depending on the card. AMD had no way to predict that miners were going to go ape-poo over the card and buy everything in sight, so they had arranged about a year ahead of time to have the foundry fab a certain amount of chips. They signed a deal for a certain amount of product, with a caveat for the ability to request a proportionate amount of extra product, should that extra amount be available.

Proportionate means 15-20% in most cases. Not 250% which is likely what AMD would have needed to keep the cards in stock. Fab time is leased out from foundries 1-2 years before the first mass production of any process begins. When the first chip of any type hits the shelf, all production lines are in full tilt and there is no capacity for more production. If you're lucky one of the buyers backed out of some or all of their purchase and the foundry stockpiled them because there is always someone who wants a few extra, if not they can start cooling the production lines down earlier.

If you're not lucky, you're AMD.
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Again you have no idea what you are talking about. 290X MSRP was $550 and dols much more than that. Money that did not go to AMD. 290X would have sold out with mining there or not. So many people where waiting for custom models. By the time whose hit prices where already high. It was cheaper to buy the faster at the time GTX780 Ti. Miners are not gamers. They bough a lot of cards. That does not really increase market share. If you check market share you will see 290X/290 did not even increase is 1%. Now after mining was dead around summer time the used market was full of 290 and 290 selling for as low as $200. People where not buying those. They instead bought the more expensive GTX970 and 980 becuase they where new and fresh. AMD took the biggest market share lost.

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Losing marketshare because miners buy up all the cards, and then flood the used market with GPU's once the fad runs out is not good for business..

The mining craze severely damaged AMD's GPU side and their marketshare/mindshare. Short term they can make money off the miners, but long term... well we all know what happened there.

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^ Got beaten to it. tongue.gif

If marketshare doesn't take into account total GPUs sold rather than GPUs used for gaming then it's a useless metric from a business standpoint. AMD received the same amount of money form the miners per GPU as they would have if a gamer had purchased it, it shouldn't make a difference to them. Also the argument that used 290/x card hurt the later sales is pretty hard to sell when they increased marketshare with the 300 series.

At the end of the day it sucked for people who wanted to buy cards to game on but it was great for AMD.
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