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This mining bs has very little/ nothing to do with RX 480 and yet we have 100 posts about it...mods pls.
Agreed...
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I had no difficulty buying a 290x during the mining craze, and selling cards is what AMD wants. They dont care who buys them.
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People are going crazy to buy overpriced 1070s and 1080s and for what playing 1-3 games and then you have AMD cards which with mining would make you money.. What do you think people will do?
maybe people just make enough money to buy what they want and play the games they want ?

and dont care about mining ? (assuming they even know what it is)
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I still fail to understand why, if they were really buying that many 290X's, that could possibly have been BAD for AMD??? Its not like AMD isn't allowed to count sales to miners! What in the world would it matter what an end user is doing with a card once purchased, in terms of market share? wth.gif

Its about sale projections. AMD was 40% back then even with GTX780 and Titan because those cards where very expensive. With 290X/290 they build enough for 40% market share. The cards would have sold either way to games but miners bought them instead. That is fine for AMD as the cards sell. The effect comes after that. ~ June time you could have gotten R9 290 Reference $200 USD. That's a steal... even now 2 years later. People just used the money that made from mining to buy Nvidias new GTX980/970 and sold 290/290X trash mining cards. To them because these cards had no function other then mining there was no point to keeping them. Even right now the same thing will happen. Everyone want a GTX1080 or Ti. If you can use a AMD GPU to get you the money you would do it. Nvidia has always been the "premium" brand. No matter what people say AMD always has been the "value" or the better "pp" card. If you got no problem with $ why buy AMD?
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I still fail to understand why, if they were really buying that many 290X's, that could possibly have been BAD for AMD??? Its not like AMD isn't allowed to count sales to miners! What in the world would it matter what an end user is doing with a card once purchased, in terms of market share? wth.gif

Because clearly selling GPUs is bad, it's much better that they sit on the shelf until the price drops to nothing. /s

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I had no difficulty buying a 290x during the mining craze, and selling cards is what AMD wants. They dont care who buys them.

I also had no issue buying a pair of 290xs. I got 2 of them at MSRP 2 months after launch.
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post #1146 of 1394
Don't get me wrong i love to talk about gpu's but why are we discussing mining on hawaii gpu's and launch prices and market share? I mean are we expecting a mining frenzy with polaris?
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I have to agree with everyone saying the mining craze was bad for AMD in the long run.

This is because it artificially drove up demand for their product in what ended up being a fad.

The massive price increases, where retailers, not AMD collected the profits, pushed away AMD target market, gamers and basically pushed gamers towards Nvidia for cards since AMD cards lost their value proposition with overly inflated prices. At equal pricing people pick Nvidia generally. Particularly the greater public market.

What this caused is Nvidia sales to spike and become better because AMD cards became just as expensive as their Nvidia counterparts.

Why this was bad for AMD is similar to why this was bad for banks during the sub prime mortgage housing market crisis.

Basically AMD cards demand were built on a bubble, which gave the company an artificial and inflated picture of how well their cards were doing in the market. What had happened is AMD cards were being purchased for an entirely new market which distorted how much marketshare AMD was actually taking.

In a normal market for videocards, Nvidia takes somewhere between 66-75 percent of the market while AMD takes the rest, this is with consistent and normal sales.

What had happened is AMD cards were selling out and being scalped by retailers because miners were willing to pay any price for AMD cards because there was a very healthy return on investment initially. This in turn drove people who would consider both companies or those that were value conscious to pick Nvidia. Both these things combined created a very different picture of what was happening in the market for gaming cards. It is best explained with numbers.

Normally Nvidia takes 65-75 percent of the market, while AMD akes 25-35% of the market. This is a stable market which both companies are able to keep stock on shelves healthy. What AMD had thought had happened because their videocard sales were so good and selling out, is AMD thought they had taken 40% of the market, while Nvidia took 60 percent of the market. This is assumption thinking the pie could only exist and was limited to 100% was a huge mistake AMD had made.

What had actually happened was Nvidia ended up taking 80+ percent of the sales for high end gaming cards, AMD took 20% of the sales for graphics cards. While a new market, of mining cards took 35%. This add's up to over 100%, which normally doesn't make sense. But what it simply means is demand was 135% greater than normal for videocards. This mean't both companies were selling out, and having brisk sales beyond what was normally expected.

Nvidia cards were selling well because of AMD's lack of competition and value. And AMD cards were selling because of the mining craze. AMD interpreted it's stellar sales as all gaming, which caused them to overproduce their cards.

However the mining craze died overnight which basically corrected the market. Demand went back to 100 percent, but AMD had increased it's production to produce for a market of 135%. What this caused was AMD had enough demand to sell for 20% of that 55% it originally had, but this 35% mining market was gone and this lead to AMD videocards to accumulate and accumulate. This caused AMD sales and marketshare to drop overall because of two specific reasons. Because GPU mining was no longer profitable, miner were selling cards left and right which created an external source of cheap AMD videocards, which didn't add into AMD bottom line. Secondly, Nvidia cards had sold so well during the mining boom that it had saturated the market. Nvidia had took most of the public market that it normally does, but also took some of AMD sales and much of the value market.

Essentially, the extra 35% glut along which cause an over supply of Hawaii, along with the gm204's release and used hawaii market is what lead to the collapse of Hawaii pricing and marketshare loss.

Overall, it's why mining was bad for AMD cards. It cost them long term sales and profitability and forced AMD to sell their cards at cost which would remove all the financial benefit it gained during the mining craze
Edited by tajoh111 - 6/10/16 at 9:52pm
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Miners were crazy. They made money for awhile so much so that i was able to sell my 7950 to a miner for $325 and a 7970 for $375. I think i got 3 three games from those two purchases, too.

Bought a 290 from a miner for $184 two years ago.

Go mining!
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Normally Nvidia takes 65-75 percent of the market, while AMD akes 25-35% of the market. This is a stable market which both companies are able to keep stock on shelves healthy. What AMD had thought had happened because their videocard sales were so good and selling out, is AMD thought they had taken 40% of the market, while Nvidia took 60 percent of the market. This is assumption thinking the pie could only exist and was limited to 100% was a huge mistake AMD had made.

What had actually happened was Nvidia ended up taking 80+ percent of the sales for high end gaming cards, AMD took 20% of the sales for graphics cards. While a new market, of mining cards took 35%. This add's up to over 100%, which normally doesn't make sense. But what it simply means is demand was 135% greater than normal for videocards. This mean't both companies were selling out, and having brisk sales beyond what was normally expected.

Nvidia cards were selling well because of AMD's lack of competition and value. And AMD cards were selling because of the mining craze. AMD interpreted it's stellar sales as all gaming, which caused them to overproduce their cards.

However the mining craze died overnight which basically corrected the market. Demand went back to 100 percent, but AMD had increased it's production to produce for a market of 135%. What this caused was AMD had enough demand to sell for 20% of that 55% it originally had, but this 35% mining market was gone and this lead to AMD videocards to accumulate and accumulate. This caused AMD sales and marketshare to drop overall because of two specific reasons. Because GPU mining was no longer profitable, miner were selling cards left and right which created an external source of cheap AMD videocards, which didn't add into AMD bottom line. Secondly, Nvidia cards had sold so well during the mining boom that it had saturated the market. Nvidia had took most of the public market that it normally does, but also took some of AMD sales and much of the value market.

Essentially, the extra 35% glut along which cause an over supply of Hawaii, along with the gm204's release and used hawaii market is what lead to the collapse of Hawaii pricing and marketshare loss.

Overall, it's why mining was bad for AMD cards. It cost them long term sales and profitability and forced AMD to sell their cards at cost which would remove all the financial benefit it gained during the mining craze

Uhh... nope there's no normally marketshare BS 65-75 nV to 35-25 AMD like you said.

AMD reached almost 60% during Fermi era. they lost most of the share from mobile market because that Optimus co-project between nV and intel worked pretty decent at that time. and they had nothing to counter it since they still messed with their mediocre APUs and Kepler gpus from nV were really competitive.

that's why nV took the lead and it's only one generation not usual.


After the release of GM204, AMD priced the completely rebranded Hawaii in a ******* meh... fashion. i still think R9 390/390X would sell if they just priced it at $250-300 or better just lowered the price of 290 series no need to release rebranded versions.

look at this. worse performance/price than the old 290 what a joke !!!
perfdollar_2560_1440.png


to make it worse. Tonga the chip that aimed to fill the gap between Tahiti and Hawaii completely failed. it didn't improve efficiency or performance from Tahiti.
perfwatt_1920_1080.png

and to make it even worse, they priced the Fury series not competitively at all. the same price as 980Ti but lower performance (even after driver update). WTH !!! who's gonna buy it ???


In conclusion, i think AMD might do well in the past year if they priced the rebranded Hawaii and Fury series right and they made Tonga worked. very little to do with the mining craze. and i haven't seen any person who usually posting BS without any backed up evidence like you.
Edited by Travieso - 6/10/16 at 10:35pm
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Uhh... nope there's no normally marketshare BS 65-75 nV to 35-25 AMD like you said.

AMD reached almost 60% during Fermi era. they lost most of the share from mobile market because that Optimus co-project between nV and intel worked pretty decent at that time. and they had nothing to counter it since they still messed with their mediocre APUs and Kepler gpus from nV were really competitive.

that's why nV took the lead and it's only one generation not usual.


After the release of GM204, AMD priced the completely rebranded Hawaii in a ******* meh... fashion. i still think R9 390/390X would sell if they just priced it at $250-300 or better just lowered the price of 290 series no need to release rebranded versions.

look at this. worse performance/price than the old 290 what a joke !!!
perfdollar_2560_1440.png


to make it worse. Tonga the chip that aimed to fill the gap between Tahiti and Hawaii completely failed. it didn't improve efficiency or performance from Tahiti.
perfwatt_1920_1080.png

and to make it even worse, they priced the Fury series not competitively at all. the same price as 980Ti but lower performance (even after driver update). WTH !!! who's gonna buy it ???


In conclusion, i think AMD might do well in the past year if they priced the rebranded Hawaii and Fury series right and they made Tonga worked. very little to do with the mining craze. and i haven't seen any person who usually posting BS without any backed up evidence like you.
By your own mindset, that p/w chart translates to every measure from noise per performance to performance per watt. Let me assure you, it does not.
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