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In 3D Mark.. its performance is similar to a Radeon Fury
except there is no official/verified benchmarks (much less gaming ones) or even AMD statements about its performance out

so - its performance is unknown at this point



yet for some a potential leaked 3dmark graph is apparently enough to claim Fury performance already
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except there is no official/verified benchmarks (much less gaming ones) or even AMD statements about its performance out

so - its performance is unknown at this point



yet for some a potential leaked 3dmark graph is apparently enough to claim Fury performance already

Fury performance under certain conditions... yes. It will not be Fury performance across the board because of the lack of memory bandwidth. In games which make use of heavy amounts of memory bandwidth... we could see around R9 390x performance (due to the color compression schemes employed in the Polaris architecture).

Oh and its $199 - $229 varying on the 4GB or 8GB model...

nVIDIA may have to drop its prices right from the get go on their 1070. This will likely be especially true once the RX 480x is released. As more DX12 titles are released... Pascal will suffer some performance degradation relative to Polaris and Vega. Right now... most benchmarks have been based on DX11 titles.

I think that the upcoming Frostbite3 DX12 based titles will give us a better idea of where we are headed in that metric.
Edited by Mahigan - 6/2/16 at 3:42am
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Strangely the leaked benchmarks of Ashes and the 3D mark DX11 match pretty good with what we were shown by AMD.

They fit so good that it's hard to not believe it at this point.

1266 Mhz 36CU 5+ TFLPS It's only expected that drivers might improve as well as clock speeds.
Edited by slavovid - 6/2/16 at 3:42am
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Strangely the leaked benchmarks of Ashes and the 3D mark DX11 match pretty good with what we were shown by AMD.

They fit so good that it's hard to not believe it at this point.

1266 Mhz 36CU 5+ TFLPS It's only expected that drivers might improve as well as clock speeds.

Precisely.

I also am enjoying how hush hush and laid back AMD are being about this launch. They are not panicking at all. They appear to think that they have this in the bag.

nVIDIA rushed out their products prior to having proper availability and stitched on an early adopters Tax but barely anyone has batted an eye. All of the criticisms are mostly towards AMD eventhough it is clear that nVIDIA are the ones in panic mode.

Kyle from HardOCP went full conspiracy mode claiming that Raja is some Pinochet character looking to pull off a coup d'etat over at AMD and everyone there is eating it up. Kyle even went on to compare the RX 480 with the GTX 1070 and 1080 offerings claiming that AMD is in deep trouble because their Polaris architecture is slower and uses more power than nVIDIAs Pascal architecture. Yes... because Polaris is mean't to compete with High end GPUs... rolleyes.gif

The RX 480 also has a single 6-pin connector which means that the absolute maximum power is 150W. This does not mean that the board will consume 150W. It will most likely consume around 120-140W. Yes.. that's a bit more power than Pascal but it isn't enough to warrant the sensationalist headlines from the likes of Kyle and others.

We have to remember... GCN has more hardware redundancy than Pascal. There are ACEs and a hardware scheduler as well as even more cache than previously on GCN4. These consume power. We're talking about miniscule differences though.
Edited by Mahigan - 6/2/16 at 3:53am
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$200 hype Im getting one of these biggrin.gif

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There are two models the C4 and the C7 announced so far. The C4 and the C7. The C7 has a clockspeed of 1266MHz and is known as the RX 480. In 3D Mark.. its performance is similar to a Radeon Fury though folks are using its TFlops figures in order to place it as an R9 390 replacement (not understanding that AMD have optimized their GCN cores and caches in order to boost efficiency in that metric not unlike the nVIDIA Kepler to Maxwell changes).. This leaves the door open for an RX 480x which should have 2560 cores compared to the RX 480s 2304 cores. The RX 480 and 480x both having 64 ROPs. I am thinking that we are going to see Radeon FuryX performance out of the RX 480x.

36 CUs leaves us with 144 Texture Mapping Units for the RX 480 and 40CUs leaves us with 160 Texture Mapping Units for the RX 480x. The RX 480x will probably go for $249-$279. This leaves the door open for a $349 and a $399 set of products which will be based on small Vega (RX 490 series) as well as the premium big Vega GPUs which are likely to be priced at $549 and $650 respectively (RX Fury-like lineup).

The RX 490 series will be going head to head with the GTX 1070 and 1080 offerings from nVIDIA while the big Vega GPUs will likely shoot for GTX 1080 Ti and Titan territory.

So the performance per CU is up big time. We will have to wait for the NDA lift in order to ascertain by just how much (I figure that a good chunk of that 30-40% IPC boost is from the changes to the CUs organizational structure). That being said... the RX 480 series are limited by their use of GDDR5. This could be particularly true for the RX 480x.

Have you wonder why no full rx 485?

That is becz they might be waiting for g5x volume
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Have you wonder why no full rx 485?

That is becz they might be waiting for g5x volume

AMD is aiming to take advantage of nVIDIAs blunder. By focussing on the highend... nVIDIA have just given AMD a head start on sales volumes and thus market share recuperation. The GTX 1060 is set for a fall release. AMDs plan is to shape the VR future. Increasing their Desktop market share (while having the complete console market share) is a means to an end. The Radeon Pro release is also part of this strategy. Take over the developmental direction of VR. Ensuring that VR titles are optimized for their architectures and not nVIDIAs.

By releasing an inexpensive Polaris based GPU... AMD aims to seed the market with cheaper desktop PCs powered by their hardware while filling the developers machines with their Radeon Pros.

If Goldman Sachs are right in their prediction (that VR will become a bigger market than Smartphones by 2020) then AMD may be pulling off a coup d'etat on the VR market itself.
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There are two models the C4 and the C7 announced so far. The C4 and the C7. The C7 has a clockspeed of 1266MHz and is known as the RX 480. In 3D Mark.. its performance is similar to a Radeon Fury though folks are using its TFlops figures in order to place it as an R9 390 replacement (not understanding that AMD have optimized their GCN cores and caches in order to boost efficiency in that metric not unlike the nVIDIA Kepler to Maxwell changes).. This leaves the door open for an RX 480x which should have 2560 cores compared to the RX 480s 2304 cores. The RX 480 and 480x both having 64 ROPs. I am thinking that we are going to see Radeon FuryX performance out of the RX 480x.

36 CUs leaves us with 144 Texture Mapping Units for the RX 480 and 40CUs leaves us with 160 Texture Mapping Units for the RX 480x. The RX 480x will probably go for $249-$279. This leaves the door open for a $349 and a $399 set of products which will be based on small Vega (RX 490 series) as well as the premium big Vega GPUs which are likely to be priced at $549 and $650 respectively (RX Fury-like lineup).

The RX 490 series will be going head to head with the GTX 1070 and 1080 offerings from nVIDIA while the big Vega GPUs will likely shoot for GTX 1080 Ti and Titan territory.

So the performance per CU is up big time. We will have to wait for the NDA lift in order to ascertain by just how much (I figure that a good chunk of that 30-40% IPC boost is from the changes to the CUs organizational structure). That being said... the RX 480 series are limited by their use of GDDR5. This could be particularly true for the RX 480x.

It appears that I was one of the few, that was interested in the dual RX 480 vs 1080.
Looking as simple as it can be - if 2x480 at 51% utilization comes close to 1080, then a single 480 at 150% utilization should do the same - as such, I somehow think that with showing AotS demo...AMD indirectly showed that RX 480 or RX 480X (or whatever it is) can chase 1070.
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Fury performance under certain conditions... yes. It will not be Fury performance across the board because of the lack of memory bandwidth. In games which make use of heavy amounts of memory bandwidth... we could see around R9 390x performance (due to the color compression schemes employed in the Polaris architecture).

Oh and its $199 - $229 varying on the 4GB or 8GB model...

nVIDIA may have to drop its prices right from the get go on their 1070. This will likely be especially true once the RX 480x is released. As more DX12 titles are released... Pascal will suffer some performance degradation relative to Polaris and Vega. Right now... most benchmarks have been based on DX11 titles.

I think that the upcoming Frostbite3 DX12 based titles will give us a better idea of where we are headed in that metric.

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/10533342/3dm11/11263084/3dm11/11257751/3dm11/11070141/3dm11/10808024

Sorry mate, but this chart uses outdated information for 390x performance in 3dmark 11, here's fresher data with 2 C7 runs compared to 970, 390 on newer drivers and 390x on older ones.

It's pretty far from Fury.
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Originally Posted by lolfail9001 View Post

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/10533342/3dm11/11263084/3dm11/11257751/3dm11/11070141/3dm11/10808024

Sorry mate, but this chart uses outdated information for 390x performance in 3dmark 11, here's fresher data with 2 C7 runs compared to 970, 390 on newer drivers and 390x on older ones.

It's pretty far from Fury.

This 3Dmark is run on 720p, whith different drivers (on Polaris) and 100Mhz difference on i7 boost clock...

It shows performance on bottlenecked CPU
Edited by C2H5OH - 6/2/16 at 4:07am
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