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So, looking at things right now, and given what we know about the RX 480, is Ellesmere a die shrunk version of Hawaii? I think it could be. 

The R9 390 is 5.8 TFLOPs, while the RX 480 is about 5 TFLOPs or faster, depending on who you talk to. 36 compute units and 64 ROPs sounds like a cut-down Hawaii chip, and 40 CUs with a die shrink and a clock speed boost would easily yield GTX 980 Ti-like performance. If the rumored RX 490 is $299, NVIDIA might have to drop the price of the GTX 1070 early into the card's life cycle, but not too early to annoy their partners and customers.

it's not a cut down Hawaii chip. It's a brand new die using GCN 2.0. Hawaii used gcn 1.1 and didn't support color compression, h265 decode, dp 1.3/dp 1.4 and hdmi 2.0

3 variants of p10, based on the 3 stars in the Ursa Minor Constellation, all with similar brightness. Polaris, Kochab, Pherkad

Interesting bits about Kochab, and Pherkad
"Kochab(UMi, β Ursae Minoris) and its neighbor Pherkad served as twin pole stars, circling the North Pole, from 1500 BC until 500 AD. Ancient Egyptian astronomers referred to them as “The Indestructibles”.Neither star was as proximitous to the celestial north pole as Polaris is now. Today, they are sometimes referred to as the “Guardians of the Pole.” Due to precession of the equinoxes, the previous holder of the title was Thuban, and the next was the present-day Polaris. This succession of pole stars is a result of Earth’s precessional motion"

p10 36cu-4gb gddr5---199$
P10 36cu 8gb gddr5--- 230-250$
P10 40cu 8gb gddr5/gddr5x--- 300$
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RX 480 is probably partially disabled due to yield. Hopefully there is bigger and better things coming out of Polaris 10.
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it's not a cut down Hawaii chip. It's a brand new die using GCN 2.0. Hawaii used gcn 1.1 and didn't support color compression, h265 decode, dp 1.3/dp 1.4 and hdmi 2.0

 

I know that. I'm not saying it's a cut down 28nm GCN 1.1 Hawaii chip. I'm saying that it's a die shrunk and updated version of Hawaii. Fiji was basically that on a much larger scale, while Tonga looks different when you compare their block diagrams.

 

Interesting tidbits about the stars near Polaris. I was president of my school's Astronomy Club just under a decade ago, and it's fun to use astronomy to try figure out what AMD's plans are.

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it's not a cut down Hawaii chip. It's a brand new die using GCN 2.0. Hawaii used gcn 1.1 and didn't support color compression, h265 decode, dp 1.3/dp 1.4 and hdmi 2.0

3 variants of p10, based on the 3 stars in the Ursa Minor Constellation, all with similar brightness. Polaris, Kochab, Pherkad

Interesting bits about Kochab, and Pherkad
"Kochab(UMi, β Ursae Minoris) and its neighbor Pherkad served as twin pole stars, circling the North Pole, from 1500 BC until 500 AD. Ancient Egyptian astronomers referred to them as “The Indestructibles”.Neither star was as proximitous to the celestial north pole as Polaris is now. Today, they are sometimes referred to as the “Guardians of the Pole.” Due to precession of the equinoxes, the previous holder of the title was Thuban, and the next was the present-day Polaris. This succession of pole stars is a result of Earth’s precessional motion"

p10 36cu-4gb gddr5---199$
P10 36cu 8gb gddr5--- 230-250$
P10 40cu 8gb gddr5/gddr5x--- 300$

Thuban was a great Phenom processor after Deneb. I miss my 945.

You must be a AMD insider because the history you say is so relevant. E3 awaits us...

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I know that. I'm not saying it's a cut down 28nm GCN 1.1 Hawaii chip. I'm saying that it's a die shrunk and updated version of Hawaii. Fiji was basically that on a much larger scale, while Tonga looks different when you compare their block diagrams.

Interesting tidbits about the stars near Polaris. I was president of my school's Astronomy Club just under a decade ago, and it's fun to use astronomy to try figure out what AMD's plans are.

the RX-480 is a direct replacement for the R9-380/R9-380x not the R9-390/390x

AMD will be offering 390/390x performance for the 200$ price point, and greater performance at the 300$ mark.
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Hmm, you people? lachen.gif If you want to lump me in with a bunch of internet trolls who hate people based on what products they like or don't then go ahead.. You want me to label you based on what a bunch NV trolls have said? Don't be ridiculous..

You've obviously missed the point i was making about GN during your little rant. Most of these "tech journalists" hardly put any work in, at this point most of them may as well just read straight from Nvidias/AMDs marketing slides.. I have nothing against any of them personally, all of us have to pay the bills. I also have never said it's about the channels/sites that are NV "biased", i feel the same way about all of them who aren't honest and who don't put the consumers (you know the ones who drop their hard earned money on products while the reviewers get given them for free) first.

It's easy to spot the disingenuous ones, they always end up contradicting themselves and looking like morons, not because they are morons, but because they had an agenda.

PCPer - put a lot of work into what they do, even if i may disagree with one thing or the other (which is my right to).
LTT - make entertaining videos but don't have near the knowledege of some of the smaller channels, and again their "reviews" are mostly recaps of an IHV's conference. But i enjoy their content.
Tek - Again, similar to LTT but give more detail.
Jay2Cents - I've spoke about enough.

Don't know where you pulled all that rubbish about me from but carry on. thumb.gif

I didn't miss the point, most of you guys as of late has been negative about reviewers and flip flop more than John Kerry during the 2004 presidential elections.
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Who is generally considered impartial and fair out of the tech websites/YouTube fraternity? Genuine question. Preferably those with good review methodology.

I was under the impression that TechPowerUp were quite solid.

None of them if you are to believe what people here has to say.
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The difference is snow nothing with shadows.
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RX 480 is probably partially disabled due to yield. Hopefully there is bigger and better things coming out of Polaris 10.

I'm also under this impression, it would be of no surprise to me if the Polaris failed validation rumor had some validity to it literally every other rumor was also proven true. The RX 480 most likely disables the problem spots of the die resulting in a usable product. We may never see a full 40 CU p10 if this rumor is true
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the RX-480 is a direct replacement for the R9-380/R9-380x not the R9-390/390x

AMD will be offering 390/390x performance for the 200$ price point, and greater performance at the 300$ mark.

 

Dude, I'm saying that it looks like Hawaii based on what we know so far. The compute core count and shader arrangement, at 64 shaders per compute core, fits. It might even look like Hawaii in block diagram form, and I'd be really happy with that. GP104 Pascal is basically the same situation for NVIDIA, given its similarities with GM204.

 

Hawaii is a great design and it kept on getting better with age. With a die shrink giving it a new lease on life, it might go on to serve another two or so years in the market before its replaced with a scratch build architecture that outperforms it at 14nm or even 10nm. The R9 390X already beats the GTX 980, and the R9 390 isn't far behind. Dropping power consumption and upping the clock speeds to take advantage of the laundry list of driver improvements that already benefit Hawaii would mean that the RX 480 launches out the gate with exceptional performance, and that's not taking improvements made to the architecture into account yet.


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Dude, I'm saying that it looks like Hawaii based on what we know so far. The shader count and arrangement, at 64 shaders per compute core, fits. It might even look like Hawaii in block diagram form, and I'd be really happy with that. GP104 Pascal is basically the same situation for NVIDIA, given its similarities with GM204.

Hawaii is a great design and it kept on getting better with age. With a die shrink giving it a new lease on life, it might go on to serve another two or so years in the market before its replaced with a scratch build architecture that outperforms it at 14nm or even 10nm. The R9 390X already beats the GTX 980, and the R9 390 isn't far behind. Dropping power consumption and upping the clock speeds to take advantage of the laundry list of driver improvements that already benefit Hawaii would mean that the RX 480 launches out the gate with exceptional performance.
Dude all GCN cards have 64 shaded per CU. Its not Hawaii only, if you wanna blow some smoke blow it on ignorant peoples
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I can't bealive how nobody that has talked about RX 480 has mentioned the architecture improvements. You can't compare 5Tflops of RX 480 to that of R9 390.

We have a bad precedent already for "architecture improvements" in form of Pascal.
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