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So I'd like to address this since I can speak to how we have handled this exact thing. Mods, if this is too off-topic please feel free to delete it.

The review site space is in a transitional phase right now. Site impressions are in general falling while new media (ie: social media, YouTube, vine, Twitch, etc.) is taking over which has been a reality we have all struggled to cope with. Some better than others. As a direct result typical "print" publications are fighting for a diminishing pool of advertising money which makes every dollar and impression that much more precious.

This situation has also caused an epic ton of junk "journalism" with sites posting Gawker-like rumor stories aa truth in an effort to drive traffic. Many of the true PRESS remaining have been watching this trend with disgust but folks lap it up like wet sponges. Seeing some of those rumor mongers being treated like royalty at certain manufacturer-sponsored events is infuriating but it also serves notice to some about where success may lie. That's worrying.

It has also led to some publications turning a blind eye to potential bias to insure they receive the latest and greatest sample. A glowing review can be pimped to local PR heads who will then pass it around their company. Without said sampling you lose impressions and money. That's why much of the press were scared crapless after AMD admitted to cherry picking sites for their Nano launch. Whereas these things typically went unsaid in this industry, in that case the threat was direct, in plain writing and would directly impact their ability to meet impression targets if, in the future, they weren't sampled. Hence why in many situations -especially for smaller sites + channels- the threat of withheld samples is potentially more damaging than a lost ad contract.

So how have sites mitigated these risks? I can't speak for everyone but here's what we did:

- Keep advertising negotiations and payment processing transparent to the review staff & editors. Doing otherwise presents a serious conflict of interest.

- Diversify past print-only. YouTube, Vessel, Twitch, etc. all provide additional revenue streams so a site isn't tied at the hip to those key site impression metrics to put bread on the table

- Always, ALWAYS have a back up plan in case a premier product isn't sampled to you.

- Foster good partnerships. Many companies are completely open to criticism provided they aren't blindsided by it. If you trash a product, you better have the reasoning to back it up.


We also have to remember that there is a very distinct difference between "press" and "personalities". There's a journalistic code of ethics that's being increasingly trampled upon these days and you should never turn a blind eye to that.

Hope that helps.

Very insightful post. Thank you.

Edit: And that explains why [H] is salty about AMD heh.
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Correct but so was GCN 1.1 to 1.2. These (including GCN 1.3) are simple architectural EVOLUTIONS and are not a completely new architecture. Their respective pipelines remain the same. At its heart Polaris is still GCN 1.x. The basic building blocks are fundamentally strong so there was no need to completely change them.
From GCN2 to GCN3 there arent big/many changes but From GCN1 to 2

GCN2 Doubled the Rasterizer, Raster,Geometry engine and RBe, Unified 11 CUs into a Shader engine(4x), Added 4x More ACEs, Added xDMA for CF Communication, Added True Audio, slighly improved scaler, But basically the CU remained with the same quantity of 1 Scalar SIMD and 4x 16-SIMD Vector, 16 TMUs





Now From GCN2 to GCN3 Fiji Is kinda Limited with the 64 ROPs and the same 4 Wide Front and RBE,meanwhile Bandwidth was improved the compression isnt really good (380x vs 280x)



But from GCN2 to GCN3 still AMD neededs a big change on Geometry Processor if Nvidia keeps trying to use exaggerated levels of tessellation on Gameworks or any game devs who work to optimize for nvidia


even that Nvidia Raster also avoid doing all polygons
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The Raster Engine of a GPC works on the triangle it received and generates the pixel information for those sections that it is responsible for (also handles back-face culling and Z-cull).

Edited by PontiacGTX - 6/2/16 at 11:28am
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I think what you are referring to is simply a change in the way AMD presented their diagrams.
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From GCN2 to GCN3 there arent big/many changes but From GCN1 to 2

GCN2 Doubled the Rasterizer, Raster,Geometry engine and RBe, Unified 11 CUs into a Shader engine(4x), Added 4x More ACEs, Added xDMA for CF Communication, Added True Audio, slighly improved scaler, But basically the CU remained with the same quantity of 1 Scalar SIMD and 4x 16-SIMD Vector, 16 TMUs

There are two parts to what you are talking about.

A) The way the diagrams themselves are presented changed with AMD adding more granularity to their presentation.

B) The fudamental building blocks have remained the same.
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Careful, you'll be labeled a shill.. rolleyes.gif

Most of them are damn hypocrites.. They woo their viewers into buying products and then completely contradict themselves later on, it's one of the many problems with not being objective. Look at how he reviewed the 1080 (that got hundreds of thousands of views) but leaves the fact that the cooler isn't very good and throttles for another video. Defending the FE price, but then using it as a reason why a certain 1080 AIB card is a great deal, never bringing up Maxwell and Async, but then using it as a sales pitch for Pascal and how future-proof it is. rolleyes.gif

There's very few out there that try to be as impartial as possible.. Gamers Nexus comes to mind, those guys deserve way more subs.

I am noticing such things.
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Ok well I might watch more of his content then.

I think this vulnerability to inducement amongst media is a particularly bad problem in the US. I haven't got exact emphirical data to back that up but its just a feeling I get from digesting the content over the years.

It's a travesty that an impartial, honest outlet for reviews is seemingly so hard to find.

I like Sky's reviews of stuff. I've had IM's with him from his own tech site, and honestly, out of all the guys out there, his group really does have that 'journalist' aspect. Do I base my final decision on what he says about the item? Nope, but I do lend a bit more weight to his review than others. I'm actually waiting for their round-up of the new generation of cards to see how they all stack up against each other (if they still do that).
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I think what you are referring to is simply a change in the way AMD presented their diagrams.
There are two parts to what you are talking about.

A) The way the diagrams themselves are presented changed with AMD adding more granularity to their presentation.

B) The fudamental building blocks have remained the same.

well the shader engines indeed were a change into the architecture not only the block diagrams



but the "building blocks" which are Compute engines ffrom First GCN iteration to the third they remained the same but there wasa patent linked on a thread which suggested a change in the CU for Polaris

http://www.overclock.net/t/1572716/directx-12-asynchronous-compute-an-exercise-in-crowd-sourcing/210#post_25104787
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Check the mountains on the right. You can see that different AA options are used. If you cannot notice it ...then you are blessed. You can buy cheap cards and play all games with minimum settings as there will be no difference.I envy you tongue.gif
As far as I know, it doesn't work that way. Even in crossfire you - normally - use your GPUs to 100% of the GPU clock (at least according to afterburner info). Your performance is not double - compared to a single GPU - . The performance is usually 70-90 % extra considering one card. That's called scalling. Now....what does that 51% in the video mean is what people are wondering - some assuming - GPU clocks turned down - for both cards.
I seriously doubt that AMD - a bilion dollar company - doesn't have their hands on the competitors' incoming product. Or the other way around. Do you really think AMD bought 1080 FE on the first launch day to check the competitors performance? Do you think that a tech site / reviewer has a 1070 and the AMD doesn't have access to one? Let's say there may be some legal issues with 1070; what's stopping them to compare 1:1 with any of the mainstream nVidia cards ? e.g. 970 , 980 , 980 TI ...etc

The mountains on the right are not anti-aliased any better, but there is a different mountain texture. The problem is that the source quality for our ability to assume is quite terrible, we'd need physical screen shots.
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I am noticing such things.
I like Sky's reviews of stuff. I've had IM's with him from his own tech site, and honestly, out of all the guys out there, his group really does have that 'journalist' aspect. Do I base my final decision on what he says about the item? Nope, but I do lend a bit more weight to his review than others. I'm actually waiting for their round-up of the new generation of cards to see how they all stack up against each other (if they still do that).

Cool who is Sky though? Someone from Hardware Canucks?
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Cool who is Sky though? Someone from Hardware Canucks?

Yes SKYMTL is from HWC.
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Yes SKYMTL is from HWC.

Ok thanks.
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Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post

You just didn't know it was Polaris. wink.gif
Dec 2015
http://wccftech.com/exclusive-amd-pursuing-aggressive-performance-watt-finfet-generation-d-gpus-vega10-codename/
Try again.

edit: corrected date

Very true. These chips were re-named polaris after Vega was announced. Ellesmere and Baffin actually go way back almost an entire year....

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-polaris-gpus-testing-hwinfo/
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