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Oh I am willing to bet nvidia will still come out on top. Heres my prediction:

Nvidia annouces and teases specs of 1060 just days before RX480 launch.
Youtube "tech channels" rant and rave and hype it, and ultimately tell people to hold off because the 1060 is just around the corner.
RX480 launches and gets fair reviews but mediocre sales.
GTX1060 launches, youtube reviewers rave at its power efficiency and talk about how it competes with RX480.
GTX1060 sells 2-3x as much as the RX480
Youtube reviewers make a heartfelt statement how they wish AMD could get back some marketshare to promote competition.
Probably yes. Just wait and see in the next couple years how Nvidia rushes into automobile market as their global GPU share is going to hell, sure they hold enthusiast PC class now, but Intel and AMD sell tons elsewhere, tons. Nvidia will have to adapt and redesign their GPU architecture or be left behind plus it's unlikely that game devs will optimize low level APIs for Nvidia unless NV pays them for it. Many games are ports from AMD consoles and once the low level APIs take hold on PC and in the minds of game devs for PC it's gonna be simple to run the same game on console and on PC without the need for any changes in the game.

Intel and Nvidia have the best IPC on CPU/GPU, but AMD has other advantages that take time and are long time changes and technological advancements.

It's funny in reviews where Fury stomps 1070 at 4k in some cases applaud.gif Nvidia fast at lower resolutions but the higher the res. the more AMD closes the gap...

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RX 480 is in no way a competition for 1070. Maybe for a future 1060, that is more likely but Nvidia might just try to find a gap to fill and put 1060 between some other GPUs and not precisely on level in price.
Edited by JackCY - 6/2/16 at 4:04pm
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I'd grab 2 1070's next month and call it a day if pretty much everyone weren't saying that XFire/SLI is a disappointment these days. I know 1080 looks to be a beast but at 3440 x 1440 I'd like more horsepower still, especially if I'm going to spend $1000 Canadian after taxes. I'll probably wait it out till next Summer when the Ti drops as any money I spend now on a temporary card will just become wasted money once the Ti shows up, especially seeing as how far and how fast resale values are falling on used cards. Would anyone spend $200 on a used 970 right now if the 480 is as advertised? And the 970 replacement isn't even on shelves yet. Maybe I could trade someone my 2 7950's and 2 570's for a 980Ti? biggrin.gif

If you got patience, then go for it. Timing is everything. I sold my GTX 980 for $450. 3-4 days before the price drop on 980, in the light of news of 1080 and 1070

2 7950s and 2 570s for 980ti though....biggrin.gif


GTX 980ti will retail for around $799, probably $899 for "FOUNDER'S EDITION" tongue.gif
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Two sides of the same coin right there. Take anything either says with a dump truck of salt.

If you really watch AdoredTV you would see he is a fan of AMD but isnt afraid to call out their issues. He also isnt afraid to admit nvidia is far better at marketing and better at gpu manufacturing, but they also have far more money.

AMD holds the console market, and it has been confirmed the next nintendo console is going to have AMD. Pretty much all games will be made on AMD platforms, which in a next year or so will really benefit them.

Once HBM hits mainstream yields they will have some killer APUs, And as you can see from the RX480 launch they are targeting basically all of the mainstream. I wouldnt doubt it if Zen is mostly mainstream with only 1 or 2 real enthusiast chips. Leaving nvidia to slowly shrink into their "enthusiast corner".

Nvidia will probably hold the "enthusiast" crown for ahwile, but in turns of market share its going to be a hollow crown.

Just my opinion, I'm no expert at all.
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You don't need to guess, he says it himself that he is an Nvidia fanboy.

However, I've never seen AMD results from him that are out of line with what I myself have seen in my own buying/overclocking endeavors. He also started the channel on an AMD FX 8350 rig and only changed to Intel when the video editing became too much.

From what I have seen Nvdia partners give these youtubers a lot more recognition than AMD partners do. You do not see them with 2 x Fury X because they do not got them.
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From what I have seen Nvdia partners give these youtubers a lot more recognition than AMD partners do. You do not see them with 2 x Fury X because they do not got them.

All part of nvidia marketing. The more youtubers you see with GTX Hardware the more videos GTX hardware is in. It gets to the point where there are so many videos with nvidia hardware people just plain forget about AMD.
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If you really watch AdoredTV you would see he is a fan of AMD but isnt afraid to call out their issues. He also isnt afraid to admit nvidia is far better at marketing and better at gpu manufacturing, but they also have far more money.

AMD holds the console market, and it has been confirmed the next nintendo console is going to have AMD. Pretty much all games will be made on AMD platforms, which in a next year or so will really benefit them.

Once HBM hits mainstream yields they will have some killer APUs, And as you can see from the RX480 launch they are targeting basically all of the mainstream. I wouldnt doubt it if Zen is mostly mainstream with only 1 or 2 real enthusiast chips. Leaving nvidia to slowly shrink into their "enthusiast corner".

Nvidia will probably hold the "enthusiast" crown for ahwile, but in turns of market share its going to be a hollow crown.

Just my opinion, I'm no expert at all.

I used to totally agree with what you are saying way back when AMD first scored the exclusive console rights. I would say "Just wait a couple years until all games are made for AMD hardware first then ported to others, then we will see AMD take off!" That was THREE years ago. Unfortunately none of what I expected to happen actually happened and, in fact, Nvidia has simply gotten a bigger and bigger stranglehold on the GPU market over those last three years. Now we start hearing the same exact stuff we were saying in 2013, "Just give it a couple years and, with all the console exclusivity wrapped up, AMD will really start putting a wallop on Nvidia!" Its just not going to work out that way I don't think, or it would have already.
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I used to totally agree with what you are saying way back when AMD first scored the exclusive console rights. I would say "Just wait a couple years until all games are made for AMD hardware first then ported to others, then we will see AMD take off!" That was THREE years ago. Unfortunately none of what I expected to happen actually happened and, in fact, Nvidia has simply gotten a bigger and bigger stranglehold on the GPU market over those last three years. Now we start hearing the same exact stuff we were saying in 2013, "Just give it a couple years and, with all the console exclusivity wrapped up, AMD will really start putting a wallop on Nvidia!" Its just not going to work out that way I don't think, or it would have already.

I will say its a slow battle. Its the pieces of the pie and nvidias marketing has definitely made the most of AMD sluggishness. But with AMD basically co developing Vulkan AND DX12.

But I will say AMD needs to get their marketing in order. They should be sending every youtube and forum reviewer a RX480. Hell send them 2. As they say no publicity is bad publicity. As I said somewhere earlier, part of nvidias success is they get their product to the reviewers. Get them talking. I would say thats probably how they still held 50% during fermi. They at least got people talking about their cards.

It also doesnt help that I feel they rode on VR so much with the RX480 paper launch. If you start branding your card as the "VR card" and VR stagnates people arent going to view your card as much of a gaming card as a VR card.
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I used to totally agree with what you are saying way back when AMD first scored the exclusive console rights. I would say "Just wait a couple years until all games are made for AMD hardware first then ported to others, then we will see AMD take off!" That was THREE years ago. Unfortunately none of what I expected to happen actually happened and, in fact, Nvidia has simply gotten a bigger and bigger stranglehold on the GPU market over those last three years. Now we start hearing the same exact stuff we were saying in 2013, "Just give it a couple years and, with all the console exclusivity wrapped up, AMD will really start putting a wallop on Nvidia!" Its just not going to work out that way I don't think, or it would have already.
It only works if the devs use low level API. Otherwise, there are close to none connection between the optimization on consoles and PC.

And that's why AMD gave away Mantle for the sake of Dx12 and Vulkan. These low level API will bring out AMD's advantage of console domination to PC.

Of course nVidia will not sit still. They have money to make the devs use their Gimpworks and balance out the match rolleyes.gif Hopefully they won't succeed like they did when killing Dx10 though
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I used to totally agree with what you are saying way back when AMD first scored the exclusive console rights. I would say "Just wait a couple years until all games are made for AMD hardware first then ported to others, then we will see AMD take off!" That was THREE years ago. Unfortunately none of what I expected to happen actually happened and, in fact, Nvidia has simply gotten a bigger and bigger stranglehold on the GPU market over those last three years. Now we start hearing the same exact stuff we were saying in 2013, "Just give it a couple years and, with all the console exclusivity wrapped up, AMD will really start putting a wallop on Nvidia!" Its just not going to work out that way I don't think, or it would have already.

Nvidia has had to spend a lot to hold back AMD console gains from PC space. Huge software dev team dedicated to working with game devs plus direct twimtbp sponsorships. Doubt it cost them nothing to prevent AMD cards being the preferred Oculus GPU considering Carmack acknowledged GCN provides a better experience.

Even so Nvidia is going to have at least a year with native DX12 and Vulkan AAA games being the norm but with DX11 focused GPUs. That's assuming Volta has a decent hardware scheduler.

Will be interesting to see if Nvidia guerrilla marketing can overcome the obvious value present in the 480 at $199. This is a direct upgrade from the $200-250 7950s and those lasted 1080P gamers around 4 years. Heck, I've been able to play most games at 1440P on my OCed 7950. I will not be surprised if the 480s provide 3+ years of useful service. Meanwhile people who are brand locked into Nvidia have probably made at least one replacement purchase if not two.
Edited by Vesku - 6/2/16 at 5:09pm
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