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nah, Gsync is doing just fine and even on this Computex we see multiple new Gsync monitors announced same as Freesync ones

it aint dying any time soon, especially with Nvidias 75%+ discreet GPU market share

and the module IS there for a reason, it does work
well what about them supporting adaptive sync? It is a vesa standard, after all.
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they wont, while Gsync is doing good, for reasons stated on page 1 redface.gif
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Their loss. If/when adaptive sync (= FreeSync) becomes standard on TVs, I'll only be using GPUs that have this feature.
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Their loss. If/when adaptive sync (= FreeSync) becomes standard on TVs, I'll only be using GPUs that have this feature.
you really think that will be on TVs and such?
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you really think that will be on TVs and such?

It's conceivable. Freesync is cheap to implement and wouldn't increase the price by much. This is probably the most important factor, because most people who buy a TV don't game and won't need adaptive sync, and thus won't be willing to pay extra for this feature. There are indications that HDMI will support it in the future (AMD is certainly trying). More and more people (my impression, don't have numbers of course) use their TVs to do console gaming, some people (like me) do PC gaming on them. Now the only piece that's missing for a breakthrough would be that coming iterations of gaming consoles support Freesync, which also isn't totally unrealistic given that both PS4 and XBone sport an AMD GPU.
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but TVs are still going to have that input lag and possibly high response times which (FPS) gamers wish to avoid like the plague ...


also I dont think the Vsync On/Off tearing vs input lag is such an issue on consoles as it is on PC .. consoles games pretty much have a fixed refresh rate, 30 or 60

not to mention consoles dont have any kind of graphics settings or drivers control panel, how would you even enable FreeSync in a console game on a hypothetical FreeSync TV ?
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but TVs are still going to have that input lag and possibly high response times which (FPS) gamers wish to avoid like the plague ...


also I dont think the Vsync On/Off tearing vs input lag is such an issue on consoles as it is on PC .. consoles games pretty much have a fixed refresh rate, 30 or 60

not to mention consoles dont have any kind of graphics settings or drivers control panel, how would you even enable FreeSync in a console game on a hypothetical FreeSync TV ?

Some TVs have relatively low input lag, to the point of being unnoticeable. Case in point: Samsung TVs get around 20ms in game mode. Of course, that may be too high for a pro or serious FPS gamer, but for most people it's fair enough.

You may be right about the locked framerate on consoles making Freesync pretty much worthless.

Freesync could be enabled or disabled in console settings.
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Their loss. If/when adaptive sync (= FreeSync) becomes standard on TVs, I'll only be using GPUs that have this feature.

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you really think that will be on TVs and such?

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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

but TVs are still going to have that input lag and possibly high response times which (FPS) gamers wish to avoid like the plague ...


also I dont think the Vsync On/Off tearing vs input lag is such an issue on consoles as it is on PC .. consoles games pretty much have a fixed refresh rate, 30 or 60

not to mention consoles dont have any kind of graphics settings or drivers control panel, how would you even enable FreeSync in a console game on a hypothetical FreeSync TV ?

Some TVs out there may have had it sometime since 2008, but was never enabled for gaming purposes... same with LCD displays in Laptops... ever notice when you unplug the power cable of your laptop the LCD dims a little to save power? Adaptive-Sync was originally used as a power saving feature - an invention of AMD... Apple is also using Adaptive-Sync for some of their mobile devices as a power saving feature... it wasn't until Nvidia decided to use it for gaming and branded their own as G-Sync running it with their G-Sync Modules that got AMD to consider it for PC gaming.

Nvidia is selling "G-Sync" modules AKA monitor scalars to monitor vendors = essentially they are in the monitor supplier business competing against regular monitor scalars or scalars with Adaptive-Sync.

Intel has confirmed plans to support Adaptive-Sync.
AMD has FreeSync over HDMI too = which may carry over to TVs if there is a good solution available. But at this moment its not viable because consoles are fixed resolutions and fixed FPS anyway.

Adaptive-Sync is here to stay with AMD's full support and Intel support in the future.
Edited by Peter Nixeus - 6/11/16 at 4:56pm
 
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Gsync looks like its here to stay as well, new Gsync gaming monitors get announced all the time

add to that Nvidias major discreet GPU market share



also from what Ive researched there are more high-end high refresh rate IPS gaming monitors with Gsync than Freesync .. specifically IPS

for TN the Freesync choice seems to be wider than IPS
Edited by ChevChelios - 6/12/16 at 4:07am
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They won't support it until they are forced to do so, for example by AMD gaining market share quickly and much cheaper FreeSync monitors being another strong argument for going AMD. But they will rather remove G-sync module premium price rather than supporting FreeSync, they will never do this.

They should be forced to do this even by now, because getting AMD card+FreeSync monitor is significantly cheaper than getting Nvidia GPU+G-sync monitor, in some countries you can get powerful AMD GPU and FreeSync monitor for price of G-sync monitor alone. In Poland for example LG 34UC88+FuryX costs around 6100, while PG348Q alone costs 5700, even with 1070 it is 8000, 9000 with 980 Ti, so 50% more expensive than AMD+FreeSync, and LG is quality monitor while Asus is garbage.

But until there are so many lemmings paying such huge premium for something that you can get 2 times cheaper, there will be no reason for Nvidia to even think about supporting FreeSync/Adaptive Sync, creating their own FreeSync without module, or removing crazy premium price from G-sync monitors.
Edited by Krzych04650 - 6/12/16 at 4:46am
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