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Originally Posted by Peter Nixeus View Post

Actually our FreeSync monitors have Over Drive working perfectly at all levels of refresh rates since day one launch and I believe some of the newer FreeSync monitors have over drive working well now, too - all equal to G-Sync's Over Drive solution at least in my eyes.

What Nvidia described in the G-Sync Module's Over Drive (Aka Nvidia Monitor Scalar) is actually how Over Drive can be configured to work in monitor scalars and was able to be done in FreeSync scalars, too.

At the end of the day - it is the monitor's vendors implementation/validation of FreeSync features and scalars vs Nvidia validating/implementing their G-Sync Module (scalars) before supplying to monitor vendors... which is something a normal scalar supplier is suppose to do anyway.


I think the only thing left that G-Sync has over FreeSync at the moment is support for Variable Refresh Rates for gaming in Windowed Mode - which is important for indie games. games using 3rd party support/updates or smaller game studios.

That's very interesting to hear. Who does the actual programming of the monitor firmware? To implement the variable overdrive - looking at the framerate history to extrapolate expected future value and adjust the overdrive accordingly? Because that's what I think the G-Sync module is doing, perhaps even with native hardware support of some kind. And from what I've seen, barely any FreeSync monitor has been doing this.

For example, on the Eizo FS2735, you have to manually set the overdrive based on what framerate you think you'll play at. Exactly what we end users don't want to do. So if Eizo weren't able to implement variable overdrive for some reason, I am left wondering about this whole mess... One would think that Eizo would have easily at least divided the framerate range into 3 sections, 30-60Hz, 60-100Hz and 100-144Hz, and mapped overdrive "low", "standard" and "enhanced" to those ranges. But they didn't.

Perhaps there are differences between TN and IPS scalers, and perhaps some firmware programmers are simply unable to implement the variable overdrive... Or perhaps I am clueless. I don't know.

But if there's no technical limitations, and implementation of variable overdrive is possible on FreeSync monitors, then at least we know that. smile.gif You should probably get into the FreeSync 144 Hz IPS business and also advertise you have solid variable overdrive implemented.
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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

which models are you talking about specifiically ?


it seems like with Freesync you need to do prior research about how good/bad the scaler implementation is and/or ghosting issues with Freesync on a specific model, whereas with Gsync you dont have to worry about that at all and "only" rolleyes.gif have to worry about panel image quality and QC issues (which is true for all monitors)


and yeah the windowed mode support, though that doesnt matter for some

Our Nixeus 24" FreeSync Monitor (NX-VUE24A and NX-VUE24B) so far has won 6+ Review Awards with the #1 factor being the best implementation of AMD FreeSync to date - and I have the OCN community members' feedback to thank for that to make sure the FreeSync range is good (30Hz to 144Hz) and that Overdrive was working. It simply works out of the box "Plug -n-Play" in AMDs' FreeSync environment without the need for monitor drivers/firmware updates.
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Originally Posted by Mack42 View Post

That's very interesting to hear. Who does the actual programming of the monitor firmware? To implement the variable overdrive - looking at the framerate history to extrapolate expected future value and adjust the overdrive accordingly? Because that's what I think the G-Sync module is doing, perhaps even with native hardware support of some kind. And from what I've seen, barely any FreeSync monitor has been doing this.

For example, on the Eizo FS2735, you have to manually set the overdrive based on what framerate you think you'll play at. Exactly what we end users don't want to do. So if Eizo weren't able to implement variable overdrive for some reason, I am left wondering about this whole mess... One would think that Eizo would have easily at least divided the framerate range into 3 sections, 30-60Hz, 60-100Hz and 100-144Hz, and mapped overdrive "low", "standard" and "enhanced" to those ranges. But they didn't.

Perhaps there are differences between TN and IPS scalers, and perhaps some firmware programmers are simply unable to implement the variable overdrive... Or perhaps I am clueless. I don't know.

But if there's no technical limitations, and implementation of variable overdrive is possible on FreeSync monitors, then at least we know that. smile.gif You should probably get into the FreeSync 144 Hz IPS business and also advertise you have solid variable overdrive implemented.



Its the scalar maker/supplier that works with the monitor vendor to implement the firmware, same as Nvidia is the scalar supplier for the G-Sync Module/Scalar implement their firmware but from my understanding Nvidia does everything. Each panel behaves differently with specific scalars so it is not a one solution that solves all. Panels of all sizes, TN/IPS, refresh rates, response time, Hz, etc. are variables that the each scalar and the PCB have to be optimize to support, There are reasons why there will be adaptive-sync monitors that are not AMD FreeSync certified - either they choose not to be certified or did not pass FreeSync certification testing but the monitor vendor still chose to ship these monitors.

There are some good FreeSync 144Hz IPS solutions in the market already - we are currently working on a different solution.
Edited by Peter Nixeus - 6/13/16 at 4:29pm
 
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