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#1 ·
Just want to note how that's a 15W APU you can game on 1080p high settings with.

 
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What on earth is the A12-9700?
One of AMD's new APUs:

 
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Play what with 1080p "high settings"? Minesweeper?
Yeah, Minesweeper. R7 can play Minesweeper.
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Actual answer is: Whatever a 60W Intel can play on "low settings"
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Play what with 1080p "high settings"? Minesweeper?
I lolled hard.

I was wondering the same as it's not clear what the iGPU is and even if it were listed there's no way this could run anything remotely demanding at 1080p.My laptop's M230 (slightly lower clocked than the M330) can't even run GTA V at low at 800x600, let alone the 128 shaders of its iGPU.

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Originally Posted by The Stilt View Post

Play what with 1080p "high settings"? Minesweeper?
Yeah, Minesweeper. R7 can play Minesweeper.
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Actual answer is: Whatever a 60W Intel can play on "low settings"
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The Stilt is the foremost AMD expert on these forums so for you to bring Intel into this discussion doesn't make that chip any more powerful.
 
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I lolled hard.

I was wondering the same as it's not clear what the iGPU is and even if it were listed there's no way this could run anything remotely demanding at 1080p.My laptop's M230 (slightly lower clocked than the M330) can't even run GTA V at low at 800x600, let alone the 128 shaders of its iGPU.

The Stilt is the foremost AMD expert on these forums so for you to bring Intel into this discussion doesn't make that chip any more powerful.
Actually, the Intel iGPU's are a total joke for the TDP they have. AMD are doing far better in that segment.
 
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Despite the higher clocks these 15W models are not much faster than FX-8800P for example. They are both extremely power limited, and will not reach the advertized frequencies in hybrid (i.e gaming) workloads even remotely.

You can expect to get around 2300MHz CPU and 500MHz GPU frequencies out of it. Here is how the clock settle on FX-8800P in GTA V benchmark, using the same 15/25W TDP.

 
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

I lolled hard.

I was wondering the same as it's not clear what the iGPU is and even if it were listed there's no way this could run anything remotely demanding at 1080p.My laptop's M230 (slightly lower clocked than the M330) can't even run GTA V at low at 800x600, let alone the 128 shaders of its iGPU.

The Stilt is the foremost AMD expert on these forums so for you to bring Intel into this discussion doesn't make that chip any more powerful.
Actually, the Intel iGPU's are a total joke for the TDP they have. AMD are doing far better in that segment.
I know but I don't think discussing Intel's useless iGPU's in a thread about an AMD chip is productive.
 
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I know but I don't think discussing Intel's useless iGPU's in a thread about an AMD chip is productive.
...What?

What are we supposed to compare AMD's chips then? Microwaves?

Ok, A12 can play games decently and with amazingly low power draw, BUT my microwave can make toasts and warm milk. It's a tough competition
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Despite the higher clocks these 15W models are not much faster than FX-8800P for example. They are both extremely power limited, and will not reach the advertized frequencies in hybrid (i.e gaming) workloads even remotely.

You can expect to get around 2300MHz CPU and 500MHz GPU frequencies out of it. Here is how the clock settle on FX-8800P in GTA V benchmark, using the same 15/25W TDP.

One gripe I have with my A8-6410 is that, compared with the 6310, its lowest clock should be 2GHz as it's advertised as 2-2.4Ghz but when the iGPU is loaded the CPU speed drops to 1.8 to remain within its rated TDP. And a 10% clock speed difference is a lot to these ultra low power chips.

Fortunately I don't play games on the laptop or at least not that often and the main problem with it is that LAN speed is capped at 30MHz. I've reinstalled Windows twice, even installed Linux (Mint and OpenSuse) and have come to the conclusion it's a hardware lock. Very annoying as the 5400RPM HD it has can go up to 60MBps.

However I will still buy an AMD chip in the future simply because of the price/performance they offer.
 
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Originally Posted by Liranan View Post

I know but I don't think discussing Intel's useless iGPU's in a thread about an AMD chip is productive.
...What?

What are we supposed to compare AMD's chips then? Microwaves?

Ok, A12 can play games decently and with amazingly low power draw, BUT my microwave can make toasts and warm milk. It's a tough competition
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Until we see benchmarks and numbers we have nothing to compare this to. Comparing an untested chip with random other ones is pointless and you must have fallen on your head if you think Intel's chips are any good for gaming. Their drivers are awful, just awful. Even if they released a Titan XYZ destroying GPU at half the price I wouldn't buy it, their drivers will make you regret it.
 
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Until we see benchmarks and numbers we have nothing to compare this to. Comparing an untested chip with random other ones is pointless and you must have fallen on your head if you think Intel's chips are any good for gaming. Their drivers are awful, just awful. Even if they released a Titan XYZ destroying GPU at half the price I wouldn't buy it, their drivers will make you regret it.
Are you sure you're reading my posts right, mate?

I said exactly the opposite of what you're saying I said.
 
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There is no need to wait for the benchmarks, since Carrizo has been available for a year now. Bristol Ridge is identical to Carrizo, as anyone can tell from die shots released by AMD themselves. There might be some tweaks at the software level (firmware) which allow slightly higher clocks compared to Carrizo, through the improved power figures. But that's all there is to it.
 
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I'd be worried about getting the 15w version if your interested in performance - not sure if it's AMD or laptop/motherboard oems but that 15w seems to be a hard limit. a12-9730 would be my choice for performance APU.
 
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There is no need to wait for the benchmarks, since Carrizo has been available for a year now. Bristol Ridge is identical to Carrizo, as anyone can tell from die shots released by AMD themselves. There might be some tweaks at the software level (firmware) which allow slightly higher clocks compared to Carrizo, through the improved power figures. But that's all there is to it.
Thanks for the clarification, benchmarks are unnecessary as we know exactly how these will perform.
 
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Thanks for the clarification, benchmarks are unnecessary as we know exactly how these will perform.
Yes, impressive, considering they have the power draw of a mid-range cell phone
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Yes, impressive, considering they have the power draw of a mid-range cell phone
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How about no?
Apple iPhone 6 for example has 1820mAh / 3.82V (6.91Wh) battery. If iPhone 6 had similar power consumption as even the slowest 7th generation APU, it's full battery would last less than 28 minutes
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Instead it last ~14 hours of "heavy use" and up to 35 hours of "mixed use". So even during heavy use, iPhone 6 draws 30 times less power than a 7th generation AMD APU.
 
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How about no?
Apple iPhone 6 for example has 1820mAh / 3.82V (6.91Wh) battery. If iPhone 6 had similar power consumption as even the slowest 7th generation APU, it's full battery would last less than 28 minutes
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Instead it last ~14 hours of "heavy use" and up to 35 hours of "mixed use". So even during heavy use, iPhone 6 draws 30 times less power than a 7th generation AMD APU.
Do metaphors go over your head, or are your reflexes just too fast?
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How about no?
Apple iPhone 6 for example has 1820mAh / 3.82V (6.91Wh) battery. If iPhone 6 had similar power consumption as even the slowest 7th generation APU, it's full battery would last less than 28 minutes
lachen.gif
Instead it last ~14 hours of "heavy use" and up to 35 hours of "mixed use". So even during heavy use, iPhone 6 draws 30 times less power than a 7th generation AMD APU.
Do metaphors go over your head, or are your reflexes just too fast?
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Originally Posted by ronnin426850 View Post

Yes, impressive, considering they have the power draw of a mid-range cell phone
smile.gif
thinking.gif


How about no?
Apple iPhone 6 for example has 1820mAh / 3.82V (6.91Wh) battery. If iPhone 6 had similar power consumption as even the slowest 7th generation APU, it's full battery would last less than 28 minutes
lachen.gif
Instead it last ~14 hours of "heavy use" and up to 35 hours of "mixed use". So even during heavy use, iPhone 6 draws 30 times less power than a 7th generation AMD APU.
It may draw 30 times less power but it also has the performance to go with that power usage.
 
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It may draw 30 times less power but it also has the performance to go with that power usage.
If you try navigating the Desktop version of this site, you will very quickly kill your battery.
 
#24 ·
HI Guys,

Looking at getting the absolute best laptop I can for around £530 (must be from Amazon.co.uk as its for work and that's who we use).

I currently have an HP with an A10-8700P and gaming on it is abysmal. even at low res and settings. I've done all I can to improve the perfomance such as fit an SSD and swap the single 8GB stick for 2 x 8GB sticks of RAM for the APU, but its still awful. So I'm sending it back to Amazon and looking for a replacement.

Would an A12-9700P offer any better performance? This is for work, and my current laptop is fine, but I want to play light games on it, mainly Elite Dangerous in my lunch lol
 
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HI Guys,

Looking at getting the absolute best laptop I can for around £530 (must be from Amazon.co.uk as its for work and that's who we use).

I currently have an HP with an A10-8700P and gaming on it is abysmal. even at low res and settings. I've done all I can to improve the perfomance such as fit an SSD and swap the single 8GB stick for 2 x 8GB sticks of RAM for the APU, but its still awful. So I'm sending it back to Amazon and looking for a replacement.

Would an A12-9700P offer any better performance? This is for work, and my current laptop is fine, but I want to play light games on it, mainly Elite Dangerous in my lunch lol
That depends a lot on what the reason for the abysmal was. Did you check CPU and GPU usage in some games that you like? But anyway, I suggest you make a new thread about this in the Laptops section of the forum, people there will be more able to help you.
 
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HI Guys,
I currently have an HP with an A10-8700P and gaming on it is abysmal. even at low res and settings. I've done all I can to improve the perfomance such as fit an SSD and swap the single 8GB stick for 2 x 8GB sticks of RAM for the APU, but its still awful. So I'm sending it back to Amazon and looking for a replacement.
It's a 15w APU. It's is for light gaming. 2d stuff and things that don't need to push a lot of heavy 3d environments.
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Would an A12-9700P offer any better performance? This is for work, and my current laptop is fine, but I want to play light games on it, mainly Elite Dangerous in my lunch lol
the difference is 200Mhz and DDR4 which at the frequencies supported won't do much. And Elite Dangerous isn't "light gaming"

keep and eye out for upcoming 35w 9830p laptop with mobile RX460
 
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