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After week with CV1 I totally agree with him. Sold mine yesterday, it's meh at best.
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Someone forgot to tell Jenny Huang about the Sulon Q
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/vr/sulon

AMD is waaay ahead of nV on the game
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Milking? Really?

Costs per card have risen significantly each generation. (Investor meetings)

Precious metals have risen significantly each generation. (Flextronics release + 5/6 others)

R&D has skyrocketed each generation. (Nvidia investor meetings)

And yet they're milking you when their margins have actually NEVER CHANGED.

This is the irony and it's hilarious how ignorant the vast majority of you are to the realities of business.

If Nvidia keeps the same margins (Which they have) and costs rise so does the cost to the consumer...That's how it works...How it's always worked.

But they're milking you because AMD's $20 card priced at $300 is a better quality offering than the $250 worth of components on your Titan. rolleyes.gif

Bla, bla, bla. I am a consumer. I care nothing about their margins. If their top VP's were making a middle class wage, I might care more. Same song and dance. We can tell which guys have Nvidia stock... lol

Let's say the entire top executive team at Nvidia got $0 for salary and let's assume it totals to $500 million saved (overestimating by a wide margin). How many Maxwell GPUs did Nvidia sell? Likely hundreds of millions across the entire product range. That amounts to <$5 saved per GPU. Even if Nvidia only sold 50 million GPUs, that would only be $10 saved.

An executive's salary has almost no effect on GPU pricing.
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An executive's salary has almost no effect on GPU pricing.

I agree. It's all about competition.

And yes, it goes both ways.

AMD had the 7970 first with no competitor so they released it at $550. NVIDIA came in with the 680 at $499 and the 7970 dropped prices fast.

Then NVIDIA had the 780 at $650+ when it had no competition. The 290X drops at $550 and the 780 drops to $500+.

The only time you see these $600+ price tags are when there is no good competition between the two companies. Whether performance, marketing, or release timing related.
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I mean, this thread got funny quickly, but JHH is right: proper VR is far away. And no, making entry price $130 less does not help, really.
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Someone forgot to tell Jenny Huang about the Sulon Q
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/vr/sulon

AMD is waaay ahead of nV on the game

Lol
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Are they for real? First they gloat how awesome 10xx is for VR and then the moment AMD announces their mainstream cards they start downplaying VR lol
Marketing goat at it's best, make up your gorram mind Nvidia.

Am I the only person that read this as him commenting on the current issues with VR and how it will progress over the next few decades? He doesn't seem to be downplaying VR at all.

Something can have faults and still be awesome, and from the fact that he believes it's even worth companies working on it for 20+ years it's fairly evident he agrees with that sentiment.
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I hope VR gets adopted fairly quick and matures fast in the next couple of years. I want to be able to enjoy it while I'm still young and in my 20's, and not 20 years older lol!
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I mean, this thread got funny quickly, but JHH is right: proper VR is far away. And no, making entry price $130 less does not help, really.
Lol

I'd like to think that driving the prices down on entering VR will get more people interested in it, and ultimately lead to further developmental progress being made, hopefully at a faster rate then if it simply remained an enthusiast and expensive gimmick that it currently is.
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Who cares if its not perfect. People want it and they will buy it. You know amd is doing something right to make this happen thumb.gif
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Tell me something i don't know. or others don't know. Making a screen hanging in front of your eyes is not vr at all, its just another position for screen. But you have to start somewehre, and now AMD made a critical turning point with lowering the entry lvl price. Guess what will happen. More of VR headsets will showup. More sold headsets, more need on better tech, better tech, better experience. smile.gif

How are AMD making it more available?

The 970 could not for the life of it be able to support a full high resolution VR like the fury x / 980 TI / 1070 / 1080 even with 8GB full memory, and that is exactly where the new 480 is in terms of performance.
Yes, it is going to cost 200$ for the 4GB version (which is far from being enough for VR at current resolutions). It still won't have the power in any way. And two of those? Might as well buy a 1070 which will cost far less.

There is no forward into low entry market with the 480. It is just a cheap card with ok performance for 1440p at best. Not for 4K and not for VR. And for 400$ for two 480s with 4GB each? Might as well buy a 1070 for cheaper, get less micro stuttering and get more memory for better performance at higher resolutions.

And yes, you have to start somewhere. This is why the current top end cards will give you the performance you need. Not the low end cards.
Yet even then, the 1080 will not be able on its own to give you real life like resolution for VR and extreme image quality at very high fps numbers to give you real immerse feeling. It just not is. There are tons of techs still need to get into it, like better screens, better immersion, more "horse power" of the GPUs.

Again, the 480 will not be any VR low entry good card at 200$. Unless what you call good entry level is what we got like 10 years ago on current tech of VR, compared to the new top end cards.
Besides, tbh, I doubt someone willing to pay 200$ for a card, will pay the premium money on rift, vive, or some of the niche low end VR headsets which will end up just a novelty "buy one get one for free" items which will just stay at the desk unused because of low quality build/screens/headaches from bad unstable fps.
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