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I want AMD to do well, but you're ignoring where the 1060 will land in the performance and price charts. In my opinion it doesn't make sense for it to cost more than $250.

That's all he needed to say... that Nvidia will be offering the GTX 1060 at a comparable performance/price. Talking about VR-not-being-ready makes it look like Nvidia has no counter for the RX 480.
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Wait, nvidia no counter for RX 480? Why not? They can have a 250mm 16nm node die for that, roughly the same as AMD's 230mm 14nm node die for the RX 480.


I do see them making a GTX 1060 to counteract the RX 480, they have to.
     
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I want AMD to do well, but you're ignoring where the 1060 will land in the performance and price charts. In my opinion it doesn't make sense for it to cost more than $250.

That's all he needed to say... that Nvidia will be offering the GTX 1060 at a comparable performance/price. Talking about VR-not-being-ready make it looks like Nvidia has no counter for the RX 480.

You're right about that, the timing of the talk about VR and not saying anything about the 1060 is a bit weird, although talking about the 1060 right away might have also sounded like they were reacting too much to AMD, and Nvidia doesn't do that kind of PR.

I still remembered Raja's very similar words on the subject back in June of last year during the Fury presentation event, so to me this seemed like a Captain Obvious / me too moment, but ultimately I have to agree that talking about it at this moment after AMD's sales pitch yesterday can be taken in a different direction.

Although I still don't see how they possibly wouldn't manage to compete with the RX 480. The 1060 has to have at least 970 power, it's ridiculous to think that it would perform worse than a 970, it'll probably be between 970 and 980, and that seems to be the same ballpark (see below) that AMD is aiming at (and also from the 390 - 390X ballpark we've also read about numerous times).


http://videocardz.com/60752/amd-radeon-rx-480-specifications-leaked
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What success? They are priced above what the mass market can pay, so that is a relative thing to say. Early adopters are always enthusiastic about new toys, but that doesn't mean that the tech is there yet to make it immersive, which is the point of this thread, not whether it's fun. A computer game from the 1980's can also be fun, but it's far from realistic and where it should be, that's what Jen, Raja and the guy from Google quoted by Raja said. These guys want to sell GPUs and VR is a PR bullet point that helps sell GPUs more than a new monitor will. But at the same time they don't want to create too many expectations for now.

Speaking about old games, VR has been a thing for a long time now, to the point of comedy:



From 1993. Forgive me for my lack of super enthusiasm in 2016, it's just that I have seen this movie before.


If you're having fun, that's good, but it has nothing to do with what these guys are talking about.

If the 480x does what it says, I'd bet you'll see a pretty big jump in sales for VR everything. You quoting VR from the 90's and laughing at it, is no different than pretty much any game from the pc/console era 90's, whats the point? non vr games are doing the same things as they were in the 90's as well.
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I still remembered Raja's very similar words on the subject back in June of last year during the Fury presentation event, so to me this seemed like a Captain Obvious / me too moment, but ultimately I have to agree that talking about it at this moment after AMD's sales pitch yesterday can be taken in a different direction.

These are comments Huang made on the eve of Computex before AMD's announcement was made.

Perhaps he simply doesn't think VR is going to be anything more than a fad while AMD is betting on it not being just a fad.

I personally think they are somewhat both right and AMD getting a foothold into it will bode well for their future.
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If the 480x does what it says, I'd bet you'll see a pretty big jump in sales for VR everything. You quoting VR from the 90's and laughing at it, is no different than pretty much any game from the pc/console era 90's, whats the point? non vr games are doing the same things as they were in the 90's as well.

And the 1060 will do the same, they will both be bringing GTX 970 / R9 390 power down to the $200 - $250 ballpark with the same or lower power consumption.

I just don't see anything revolutionary here from either side to be honest, it's just the natural small step evolution.


And as I said, if you're having fun, great, but that isn't what Jen and Raja are talking about. There are a lot of problems to solve until VR is actually truly immersive to the point of feeling real and thus honouring its name, a lot of hardware iterations to go through until we get there.

If I want to have fun I'll play anything that is great, from the Witcher 3 to the game in the video I posted, Sam and Max Hit the Road. It's a masterpiece when it comes to point and click adventures. Everything about it aged spectacularly well.


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These are comments Huang made on the eve of Computex before AMD's announcement was made.

Perhaps he simply doesn't think VR is going to be anything more than a fad while AMD is betting on it not being just a fad.

I personally think they are somewhat both right and AMD getting a foothold into it will bode well for their future.


Oh, it was on the eve, thanks I missed that. Well, it does help his case a bit then, but at that point we pretty much knew what AMD was going to say (and he probably knew it better than we).
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If it takes 20 years for good VR. I'll be an old men by then, probably in my grave by then. Hell am old as it is now. biggrin.gif
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So is that means....Should I wait 20years for GTX 1080 to be relevant to VR?
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Here is a great interview with Ed Fries (worked at Microsoft) about Microsoft, console, gaming and VR:

http://www.nodontdie.com/ed-fries/

The VR part helps explain what kind of stuff is needed to make VR really feel like Virtual Reality.
 
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Here is a great interview with Ed Fries (worked at Microsoft) about Microsoft, console, gaming and VR:

http://www.nodontdie.com/ed-fries/

The VR part helps explain what kind of stuff is needed to make VR really feel like Virtual Reality.

I love reading this pie in the sky stuff. Really makes you feel dreamy when you're playing Fallout 4 in 2016 and your character model is clipping through the wall just like it was in 1996.

Do you suppose I should wait until VR is perfect just like collision models have been perfected?
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