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Originally Posted by Sir Beregond View Post

This has nothing to do with that.

It has everything to do with JHH making a big deal of VR with the 1080 launch, and now with AMD unveiling a $199 alternative, suddenly JHH says VR is stupid, in its infancy, and no big deal. See the hypocrisy yet?
ok, so this thread is worthless then because it's just a big free for all of "let's interpret what JHH said in our way".
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ok, so this thread is worthless then because it's just a big free for all of "let's interpret what JHH said in our way".

No, it's not "let's interpret him in our way". It's what did he say at 1080 launch. What did he say now. Oh interesting....not the same thing.
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ok, so this thread is worthless then because it's just a big free for all of "let's interpret what JHH said in our way".
Yep, it is worthless, just like JHH's ridiculous 180 degree opinion change about VR, better go defend Nvidia's feelings in a 1080/1070 thread somewhere.
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Jen is obviously entitled to his own opinion, just strange seeing the sudden change of heart.. This thread doesn't have to turn into an AMD vs Nvidia dung flinging contest. The 480 won't give anywhere near the "premium" experience in VR that the 1070/80 can (unless you go CF which will beat both of them for the same price/far cheaper which is why the card's a winner), but it does give developers the opportunity to sell to a much larger install base, so it doesn't have to. A single $199 GPU, usually the most expensive component in a system is now good enough to easily pass the recommended spec. thumb.gif

To the topic at hand, how many of you have actually tried VR? It's cliche at this point but you legitimately have to try it.. You can watch as many videos as you like, you'll still never "get it". It's like 3d x 100 (although actually good) while being in a virtual world. It's surreal. I could see lines in the Rift though, but once 4K ones drop I'm not sure I'll want to take it off. tongue.gif
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I think everybody has read this entire saga the wrong way. AMD was clever to say that they are making a VR ready GPU for $200 because that's more concrete than saying "Yeah our next GPUs have great performance for the price!" Outside of special tricks such as what Nvidia brought to the table with Pascal, VR doesn't imply some sort of special sauce not found in most GPUs, it simply means that a GPU needs to be fast with a healthy chunk of memory.

What AMD really has told us by announcing the $200 RX 480 as "VR capable" is announce that their $200 card this year, gets you $400+ of performance in last year's terms. If people realized this, Nvidia would be in deep trouble since they need to sell as many 1080/1070s as possible before AMD makes a launch.

Now why did the Nvidia CEO make this statement? I would think that he's trying to draw attention away from the seemingly (since we have no benches yet) insane performance/$ of AMDs upcoming products and try to keep the 1080/1070 hype train alive. It doesn't hurt them much to annoy a few VR diehards (the Rift and Vive are still very low-volume products) so long as the general gaming populace doesn't realize that AMD might hit it out of the park in a few months.

This is all speculation on my part of course, but it does make a degree of sense.

TLDR: AMD wanted to brag in concrete terms ($200 VR card!), but by doing so shifted the attention to VR. Nvidia, wanting to draw attention away from the actual implications of that much power at that price decided to KEEP our focus on VR instead of letting us figure out that being good at VR does not preclude being good at gaming/compute etc.
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So much back peddling...







Seems someone forgot to pull the plug on their VR Ready program rolleyes.gif
Edited by Slomo4shO - 6/1/16 at 7:22am
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unless $199 RX480 offers the same VR framerates as GTX1070/1080 (highly doubt it), i don't even know what are you all arguing about. you all make it sound like RX480 is suddenly on par with 1070 without even any shred of proof (well actually early leaks put it way behind 1070) rolleyes.gif


????? The discussion is about NVIDIA conceding another loss in a niche area of gaming(consoles, mobile) and putting a skirt on it. the only one talking about a 1070 or 1080 performance YOU. Bottom line is that VR is the next big "thing" in gaming to be hyped up, and AMD is going to dominate it.
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Are there benchmarks for the 480/amd alternative yet? I wonder how many of you actually read the article
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I'm not sure "downplays" is an accurate portrayal of his position.

He very clearly articulated the challenges that need to be addressed, and they are real and valid. What, should we just pretend it won't be hard, because OHMYGURDZ VR?

I agree with this man, for once.

Every single point made in the article is actually a LEGITIMATE issue that the industry, itself - Agrees on.

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dude, its not about that. It is only about the fact that nvidia wanted to milk vr market with 600-700$ card. Meanwhile AMD just litteraly cut their hose with air while they jumped on deep water. So now they will do anything they can to discredit vr. But infact he is only saying the damn obvious things. Meanwhile AMD is doing all they can to lower the entry lvl price of vr, and by this doing something more then just empty talks on conference. Nvidia is afraid of polaris, and AMD was right that Nvidia should be afraid of it biggrin.gif

Just making a point that, you're making an assumption.

Nvidia doesn't need to "milk" anything. They've already sold all alpha/beta runs...Echo/Gamma are releasing soon, will sell equally as well...Amd's price-point means nothing to Nvidia because you still CANNOT match their performance at all with anything AMD is currently releasing...Period.

So your assumption that Nvidia is "afraid" of anything is...stupid.

Aggregate-ly Nvidia has already cleaned house.

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So much back peddling...

Seems someone forgot to pull the plug on their VR Ready program rolleyes.gif

I don't see any back-peddling. The article raises some legitimate issues that the entire INDUSTRY - Including AMD - Agree with...

Perhaps some of you should read it?
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And yet JHH was/is willing to charge $700 for the gpu part of what he thinks is a sub optimal experience right now - the man is shameless.
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