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Best advice ever.

"I dunno it just stopped working one day so i figured it was time to upgrade"
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Absolutely, and there's additional pride in anything that you put together yourself. I think what gives this extra attachment is that you are the one who picks the components that go into your machine. To your point earlier about worrying too much about the latest and greatest hardware, there is a point where you have to enjoy what you have and not worry about what else is out there.

No part of my build is currently a bottleneck for how I use it (though the video card will be coming up next), which is what's important. I can't spend my time worrying about Kaby Lake, Cannonlake, Icelake, or Tigerlake. I don't like spending a bunch of money on chasing something that has no end, and PCs are still utilities that are subject to guaranteed obsolescence. There's no charm, no character, and no vintage/classic appeal.

What triggered our side discussion was someone complaining about Intel releasing new platforms regularly. Do people miss out on life if they haven't made a build with every microarchitecture that Intel releases? Why complain about it otherwise, especially when one can't even get the timelines correct? I know everyone thinks differently, but I find it hard to get angry about Intel's roadmap when it isn't relevant to me but once or twice every decade.

Not like 2P still remembers this thread, but the anger was comically out of place.
Absolutely. I love the fact I can build my own computer and have the knowledge to do so. I also love the fact it's a hobby you're always learning something new in. Heck, there's still things I am learning that I never knew about before.

When I read the "angered" complaining post, I was thinking along the same lines as you right here. Still am. The biggest mentality in anything, not just PC enthusiasts, is the strive to be number one. It's a status symbol to many. At least, that's how it seems. Being one of the few on your block/neighborhood/city/etc. to have the latest, greatest, most unique thing is a very prideful moment. You can hear that pride in people's voices when they describe or talk about it. No one likes to be upstaged either. It's all about being the best in what you do and what you have. This would explain why so many people WOULD be angry at, say, Intel for having new product "so soon." The fact, as you said, that "PCs are still utilities that are subject to guaranteed obsolescence" reflects that the most. Now, their CPU and maybe other parts are instantly obsolete, for not functionally obsolete. Because these people don't have the latest and greatest anymore and in such a short period of time, they lash out to justify that they don't have the resources to be number one once again. That someone has upstaged them. Some treat their hobby as a competition.

Speaking for myself, I don't care to have the best computer. I don't sweat these things. I upgrade when I feel I need to. I'm certain you feel that way too, as well as Liranan. However, if people feel the need to upgrade as soon as the latest and greatest thing is on sale, then we can't really have much of a say here either.

Sorry if this weaves off topic a little too much.
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Absolutely. I love the fact I can build my own computer and have the knowledge to do so. I also love the fact it's a hobby you're always learning something new in. Heck, there's still things I am learning that I never knew about before.

When I read the "angered" complaining post, I was thinking along the same lines as you right here. Still am. The biggest mentality in anything, not just PC enthusiasts, is the strive to be number one. It's a status symbol to many. At least, that's how it seems. Being one of the few on your block/neighborhood/city/etc. to have the latest, greatest, most unique thing is a very prideful moment. You can hear that pride in people's voices when they describe or talk about it. No one likes to be upstaged either. It's all about being the best in what you do and what you have. This would explain why so many people WOULD be angry at, say, Intel for having new product "so soon." The fact, as you said, that "PCs are still utilities that are subject to guaranteed obsolescence" reflects that the most. Now, their CPU and maybe other parts are instantly obsolete, for not functionally obsolete. Because these people don't have the latest and greatest anymore and in such a short period of time, they lash out to justify that they don't have the resources to be number one once again. That someone has upstaged them. Some treat their hobby as a competition.

Speaking for myself, I don't care to have the best computer. I don't sweat these things. I upgrade when I feel I need to. I'm certain you feel that way too, as well as Liranan. However, if people feel the need to upgrade as soon as the latest and greatest thing is on sale, then we can't really have much of a say here either.

Sorry if this weaves off topic a little too much.

That sir was absolutelty great. Many people, including myself, should read that and think twice about struggling to have "latest and greatest".

I for example took a deep breath after getting my 4790k build with 980Ti when Skylake came out. I wanted to upgrade so bad, because DDR4 and new CPU, new MOBO. Then my wife told me- will it make difference performance wise in your games? Hell no. But I was INCH from selling my stuff and upgrading biggrin.gif.

Same is right now with 1080. No point for me upgrading from 980Ti. Better wait for big Pascals. But I was once in same boat- I had to have latest, greatest, even though that was pointless. Little older now and wiser smile.gif

Good post! Was worth to read smile.gif
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Taking a moment to reflect on why we're here in these forums, as great as it is to have the latest and fastest hardware, ask yourself if it really makes a difference in tangible performance and your personal happiness. I get wanting to have the best and having those bragging rights or whatever, but that's a really fleeting accomplishment in this world of custom-built PCs. I'm glad to see several others in agreement.

Many people often say they don't really feel a significant difference from a top-spec build from 2011 to a top-spec build in 2016 and even have a bit of buyer's remorse, most notably if gaming isn't involved. Apart from GPUs, it feels like very little has been accomplished in five years. Things like stagnation in CPU development and SSDs making day-to-day application usage feel effortless have contributed to that. Sure, there are faster CPUs and SSDs now compared to five years ago, but the big leap was already made since last decade when Core 2 Duo/Quad and K10 Phenom II were the best processors and everyone lusted for WD VelociRaptors. The rest has mostly been technology refinement and benchmark chasing.

I'm not saying that this ought to turn into a pissing match in the other direction as to who has the oldest usable build, but we've clearly come to a point where Intel is mailing it in. If anything, it would be better if new platforms were released more often if all we keep seeing are these 5-10% incremental improvements with each generation. Personally, I would rather save the money for other hobbies or just save the money altogether.

I'm just glad we've come to a point where I don't think I'll ever hate using my computer as much as I hated my Socket A build in mid-2011 right before I built what I have now.
    
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That sir was absolutelty great. Many people, including myself, should read that and think twice about struggling to have "latest and greatest".

I for example took a deep breath after getting my 4790k build with 980Ti when Skylake came out. I wanted to upgrade so bad, because DDR4 and new CPU, new MOBO. Then my wife told me- will it make difference performance wise in your games? Hell no. But I was INCH from selling my stuff and upgrading biggrin.gif.

Same is right now with 1080. No point for me upgrading from 980Ti. Better wait for big Pascals. But I was once in same boat- I had to have latest, greatest, even though that was pointless. Little older now and wiser smile.gif

Good post! Was worth to read smile.gif

For several years I also chased epeen status and thus bought the next best thing every generation until it got boring. I realised I was just wasting money on nothing so I stopped. Now I am bored with hardware as there is nothing to upgrade to. There is just no point in getting anything 'better' as I feel everything is now a sidegrade. A better GPU would make games run better but right now I am dreaming of setting up my own NAS server with at least 10 HD's (20 or more if I can get the hardware for a good price) so I can download the entirety of the internet :D

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same here. i'll sell my 970 for a 1070 because of 50% or so better performance, but my haswell will serve me for a few years more. i'm not enough of an enthusiast to justify spending for the 10% at best intel offers us with a new cpu generation.
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It's not going to matter anyway, unless one's running W10, Linux or Macs.

Loyal Windows 7 users will be out of luck with this one, Intel posted months back that they'd stop support for 6th gen CPU's with any OS less than W10, so with that OS still carrying over 50% of the market share, this will be no big deal.

95W TDP max? Does this mean the 130W 6 & 8 core CPU's won't be included with this release, or will Intel skip 7th gen upgrades for these? Or will desktop quads be watered down further, and it'll be 95W TDP for the 6 & 8 core models? Moore's Law is most certainly dead at Intel, fortunately it's just getting hot with the GPU industry. The problem will become CPU's being the bottleneck for these ultra high powered GPU's come another 2-3 release cycles.

Which will make the cost of new sealed, 3rd & 4th gen CPU's higher than when first sold. Got to have some die space to have serious power, 5GHz CPU's should be standard equipment by now (w/out OC). Things took a turn for the worst first in 2004 when Intel hit 3.8GHz on H/T chips, then backed off due to cooling issues, when they should had worked around the clock to get the cooling right, screwed up priorities. Then we had a few stagnant years, and AMD forced Intel to rize with the best of the Core 2 & Quad series, along with 1st through 4th gen i series, and for a glimpse in 2012, it was looking like 4.5-5Ghz was on it's way, then dropped once again. Even notebooks were running up to 3.4-3.6GHz in Turbo Mode, just didn't make it to 4.0GHz (except enthusiast editions in limited numbers).

I have spent a lot of cash the last 10 years in trying to keep up, only to have less power & performance with the latest, so maybe it's time to start looking as others, for the most 'bang for the buck', it's certainly not at Intel anymore, though once was. I have only one AMD PC in my arsenal, and the 2012 model FX-6300 runs at 3.5GHz (native) for only $89.99 shipped for a 6 core CPU. An Intel 'budget' 6 core CPU that runs at 3.3Ghz costs $300 more. This is what things are boiling down to, what is Intel giving us for our money? We throw cash their way year after year & they in turn look to water down performance, for the sake of profit alone (overseas labor in sweatshops) & who's proving they're using conflict free materials? Intel could care less about us & the world we live in. They can do better, and Intel has the tech to release 5GHz quads with the 7th gen if they wished, yet it's not going to happen until consumers (mainly enthusiasts & system builders) boycotts a release or two, then Intel will give us the power & quality we crave (& pay for) again.biggrin.gif

Plus Intel boxed CPU's should come with a certificate that these are built with 100% conflict free materials, in the form of a legal document. We should force Intel to get out of the slave business completely, I'd gladly drop $350 for a 100% US produced CPU, as long as the other conditions are also met (more power for our cash).smile.gif

My hard earned cash from here on out is going to who's giving me the most for my money, even if that means purchasing earlier & more powerful Intel CPU's, or AMD CPU's for half the price or less that's not quite as powerful as a whole, yet more powerful for the dollar spent. Who's going to notice $1 per month on the electric bill? Maybe those running a 24/7 folding@home client will, yet they also want more power to produce more PPD.

BTW, few seems to have issues with paying less per GB for more SSD performance (& Intel keeps their prices higher than most for less performance), so that's an alternate way of looking at the issue. It's time to cut the cord & stop throwing cash into an empty pit expecting more & it's not there, exactly what many said about Microsoft & Windows 8.1 (which won't be compatible with these CPU's, nor will W7).

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Remove your 2500k and smack it with a hammer if you are looking for a reason to upgrade.
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"I dunno it just stopped working one day so i figured it was time to upgrade"

It's a good tactic to justify an upgrade to your spouse,

I don't know babe, I went to replace the thermal paste and it was like this. Now it won't start.

You already lost her by the time you got to replacing thermal paste and are good to upgrade your platform. thumb.gif
     
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It's a good tactic to justify an upgrade to your spouse,
Yes, i agree. All you can do now is an upgrade to your spouse.
    
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Yes, i agree. All you can do now is an upgrade to your spouse.

I'm crying in laughter.
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