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I really want this board I really do, I need a new one my rampage v extreme died. I want a board that will do overclocking but also has connectivity, the gigabyte g1 would be perfect if it had a ton of connectivity, MSI option just looks cheap (plastic shroud) and won't get supported by full coverage water blocks...so I WANT THIS...but they are still refusing to RMA my rampage V extreme that put 1.8v into my 5960x, and is now restarting all the time randomly. So I mean, why pay premium dollar for third rate support and warranty. They need to stop slapping LEDs on boards and start investing in a damn support desk, staff and better warranty process...
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I guess it depends on what you are doing to notice a 10 percent difference but I doubt I would notice a difference in real world applications. Sucks that you aren't satisfied. Perhaps you should get the Intel Tuning Warranty and replace the chip down the line in hopes that a new batch overclocks better.

Congrats on the sweet chip. A 4.4 6800k is pretty sweet. I believe the price has risen $10-$15 since I bought mine. Can't wait to mach it with my Rampage V and either the EVGA FTW or Galax HOF. Whichever comes in stock first this week is the winner!



I wasn't specifically talking about real world applications, i was talking about things like Cinebench; in Cinebench R15 i'm literally getting LESS single core performance on a 4.4 6800K than i do on a 4.6 5960X like i mentioned. Even at only 4.5ghz my 5960X is barely behind the 4.4ghz 6800K due in part to the fact that the 6800K can only stably maintain ~3.6ghz cache/uncore clock speed even on the Rampage V Edition 10 whereas my 5960X can easily hit 4.3ghz cache/uncore. (among other things of course, cache OC isn't that big of an issue; i suspect there's something larger at fault for the disappoitning IPC of BW-E)

Then there's the fact that Broadwell-E can't really handle any higher than 3000mhz RAM reliably.

So if you put things into perspective you have:


i7 5960X =

4.5ghz @ 1.3v
4.6ghz @ 1.43v

4.3ghz Cache/Uncore
DDR4 ~3600mhz RAM is possible

4.6ghz/4.3ghz cache - Cinebench R15 Multi-Core = 1,811 points
4.6ghz/4.3ghz cache - Cinebench R15 Single Core = 184 points


Compare that to:

i7 6800K =

4.4ghz @ 1.355v
4.5ghz IMPOSSIBLE even at 1.5v!!!

3.6ghz Cache/Uncore
DDR4 3000mhz RAM is likely the max stable RAM speed

4.4ghz/3.6ghz cache - Cinebench R15 Multi-Core = 1,361 points
4.4ghz/3.6ghz cache - Cinebench R15 Single Core = 182 points (goes to 183 if i can get lucky enough to get a stable run with 3.7ghz cache)


Interestingly enough i can get 187 points in single core if i run at 4.5ghz, which is more in line with what i expected (188-190 is about what a ~4.8ghz 4790K gets iirc, and i think 6700K gets something like 192-195 even at 4.8-4.9ghz, so 187 isn't bad for an "E" CPU) but i can't get the CPU stable to run on all cores at that frequency.
Edited by DarkIdeals - 7/5/16 at 2:56am
 
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I really want this board I really do, I need a new one my rampage v extreme died. I want a board that will do overclocking but also has connectivity, the gigabyte g1 would be perfect if it had a ton of connectivity, MSI option just looks cheap (plastic shroud) and won't get supported by full coverage water blocks...so I WANT THIS...but they are still refusing to RMA my rampage V extreme that put 1.8v into my 5960x, and is now restarting all the time randomly. So I mean, why pay premium dollar for third rate support and warranty. They need to stop slapping LEDs on boards and start investing in a damn support desk, staff and better warranty process...


lol...well looky thar. Wonder if JPM will stop acting like i'm some nutjob since other people are confirming my posts telling him that Rampage boards have had a history of killing CPUs with uber high boot voltages haha.

Sorry to hear that man....luckily my board only threw the ~1.7v+ at my chip for a few seconds as i ended up with a B1 error hanging boot and simply shut down the PSU after only a few seconds, so it onlydid did some odd damage to my NIC where i have to uninstall and re-install drivers every single time i booted (still does it a year later lol) and made it harder to hit 4.6ghz than in the past (used to be able to achieve 4.6ghz at 1.38v, now it takes 1.43v)

There are a TON of people who were far less lucky though and lost their 5960X's etc..


About the restarting randomly....humor me for a minute....go into your search bar on the desktop and type "event log" and click on the view event log option. (it would be easier if you did it right after it does a random restart since it would be a recent "event" in the logs Then look and see if you can find an error that states "kernal power error" with the numbers 41 and 63 in categories of the page. Mine did the exact thing after my Rampage V Extreme overvolted my 5960X, and i was able to fix it with a combination of blowing my PSU out with compressed air, completely wiping all audio, video, etc..etc.. drivers and re-intalling, and changing to an older BIOS. Worth trying.


For what its worth though, the Rampage V Edition 10 is a great board so far, i really love it. So if you can afford to get it i'd definitely recommend it. It seems to be a bit more mature than the RVE overall in several ways.
Edited by DarkIdeals - 7/5/16 at 2:52am
 
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lol...well looky thar. Wonder if JPM will stop acting like i'm some nutjob since other people are confirming my posts telling him that Rampage boards have had a history of killing CPUs with uber high boot voltages haha.

Sorry to hear that man....luckily my board only threw the ~1.7v+ at my chip for a few seconds as i ended up with a B1 error hanging boot and simply shut down the PSU after only a few seconds, so it onlydid did some odd damage to my NIC where i have to uninstall and re-install drivers every single time i booted (still does it a year later lol) and made it harder to hit 4.6ghz than in the past (used to be able to achieve 4.6ghz at 1.38v, now it takes 1.43v)

There are a TON of people who were far less lucky though and lost their 5960X's etc..


About the restarting randomly....humor me for a minute....go into your search bar on the desktop and type "event log" and click on the view event log option. (it would be easier if you did it right after it does a random restart since it would be a recent "event" in the logs Then look and see if you can find an error that states "kernal power error" with the numbers 41 and 63 in categories of the page. Mine did the exact thing after my Rampage V Extreme overvolted my 5960X, and i was able to fix it with a combination of blowing my PSU out with compressed air, completely wiping all audio, video, etc..etc.. drivers and re-intalling, and changing to an older BIOS. Worth trying.


For what its worth though, the Rampage V Edition 10 is a great board so far, i really love it. So if you can afford to get it i'd definitely recommend it. It seems to be a bit more mature than the RVE overall in several ways.

I've done all that, also mem checked/swapped out few sets of ram, swapped out video cards, swapped out psu, fresh installs of Windows+drivers, tried my girlfriends cpu. It's the motherboard Idk what else it could be at this point.

However I very much appreciate the suggestion I've had nothing but headaches for almost two months now.

It started a week after it killed my 5960x. Which is bs in itself because everything was stock at that time...no overclocking at all at that time. Glad your cpu made it out alive, was not aware this was a common problem.
Edited by saintruski - 7/5/16 at 3:10am
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was not aware this was a common problem.

It's not. Depends what you perceive as common, besides a few threads lacking in data. The only properly documented failure was on a Deluxe, which was a power up phase issue on certain power supplies that became a problem due to a manufacturing defect, nothing to do with the over-voltage error.
Edited by Silent Scone - 7/5/16 at 3:12am
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I've done all that, also mem checked/swapped out few sets of ram, swapped out video cards, swapped out psu, fresh installs of Windows+drivers, tried my my girlfriends cpu. It's the motherboard Idk what else it could be at this point.

However I very much appreciate the suggestion I've had nothing but headaches for almost two months now.

It started a week after it killed my 5960x. Which bs m in itself because everything was stock at that time...no overclocking at all at that time. Glad your cpu made it out alive, was not aware this was a common problem.


Yeah it is unfortunately. ASUS refuses to admit fault in order to save face...

When you say you tried all that, does that mean you checked the event log? Did you have the kernal power error 43 61 listed in the logs or not? I'm curious.


And yeah i hear you about the headaches. The nice thing is the chances of the Rampage V Edition 10 doing the same thing are next to zero as it would ruin ASUS' reputation for three top tier boards in a row to have overvoltage issues (the Rampage IV X79 boards had some issues in the past. Not outright KILLING your CPU but it would apply higher vcore than it claimed it was, resulting in a fairly decent lifespan decrease. People whose i7 4930K's would've lasted 5 years were blowing out in 3 instead etc.. and it wasn't very widespread; but still an issue)

So far i've had nothing but good to say about the Edition 10 board. The ONLY thing i dislike at ALL about it is that it doesn't use the socket cover from the Rampage V Extreme (you know, the one that doesn't have the little "sticky out" parts on the four corners where the heatsink/block mounting posts go in? I think that socket looks uglier for some reason, dunno why; perhaps because it's used mostly on the "lesser" boards, whereas high end ASUS, MSI etc.. boards use the other type of socket cover due to it being easier to deal with LN2 pot mounting brackets on that design) which is a VERY minor thing since you're literally just covering up the socket the second you install your waterblock/heatsink lol.
 
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R15 is not a stability test, it is a benchmark

It's both. It has both options.
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It's both. It has both options.

Are you talking about Realbench?
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It's not. Depends what you perceive as common, besides a few threads lacking in data. The only properly documented failure was on a Deluxe, which was a power up phase issue on certain power supplies that became a problem due to a manufacturing defect, nothing to do with the over-voltage error.


Yeah sorry but that's not true. It was quite common for a time till ASUS did something about it in the BIOS updates. There were several dozen cases documented on this site alone, and ASUS had a couple hundred cases publicly raised overall when it first started happening. And that's not counting the possibly numerous others who simply thought their chip died due to "bad luck" or such.

Rampage V Extreme had a distinct overvoltage problem that would shoot INSANE amounts of voltage, up to 2v, into the CPU for fairly extended periods of time when you left voltage on auto even if you weren't overclocking. The only reason you don't think it was common is that A) It's an anecdotal issue (just like every single other hardware problem voiced over forums i might add), and thus subject to skepticism; B) Isn't always reported online as the vast majority of PC users don't frequent these types of sites; millions of them don't speak our language anyway so would be voicing concerns on say Chinese, Indian, Japanese, etc.. sites where you wouldn't see them. C) ASUS made sure to cover it up as much as humanly possible since it was a big stain on their reputation after the Rampage IV boards had similar issues on a smaller and less dangerous scale already.


The thing on the deluxe board you are talking about is an ENTIRELY different separate issue. This is about the Rampage V Extreme boards supplying huge voltage to the CPU on boot-up, and then giving an "overvoltage error" afterwards or simply not booting up at all (i.e. dead CPU from voltage)
Edited by DarkIdeals - 7/5/16 at 3:28am
 
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Are you talking about Realbench?

You are talking about cinebench15.

I'm talking about ROG realbench that raja recommends for stressing.
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