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    EVGA 980 Ti Classified
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    EVGA 1080 Founder's Edition
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Originally Posted by Inglewood78 View Post

Assuming cost is the same, 1080 without question but if it was me, I'd return the 980ti and wait for AIB 1080s.

This. I'd highly recommend that you wait.

The 1080 Founders is a better choice than the 980Ti Classified, but it will be worse than better built (and likely cheaper) AIB. If you can wait, then it's worth doing so at this point.


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Originally Posted by MNiceGuy View Post

First of all, I'm sure the information I'm asking for is out there but with the sheer amount of 1080 talk going on right now I am having trouble sifting through it.

I have a unique situation. Without boring everyone with the details, I recently purchased as 980 Ti Classified and have been using it to drive my Predator X34 (21:9, 3440x1440). I was at the store on some other business and learned that they had a few 1080 FE in stock so I picked one up.

I can return either card for a full refund. To keep it simple, let's say there is no cost advantage one way or the other.

On the one hand, the Classified is a top-end AIB card from a trusted vendor. It seems to run well and the ACX cooler keeps things nice and quiet.

On the other hand, the 1080 is the more powerful card but how much more powerful?

I've also seen some information that the blower cooler on the FE cards is not quite up to task and could ultimately result in throttling. Is that true of a non-overclocked example as well?


You are looking at around 25-30% more performance on the 1080. It depends of course on the benchmark. However, remember that Nvidia will now focus on optimizing for Pascal and not Maxwell, so it is probable that the performance of Maxwell will fall versus AMD's cards and Pascal.

Yes, the blower does throttle. That is why I so strongly advise that you get a custom AIB 1080. It is the best of both worlds.

Your ideal would be a 1080 Classified or some other top vendor. Better base GPU and better cooling.
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I'd return both and wait for AIB 1080's. 1080 FE is a waste IMO.
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Thought I'd report back with my experiences thus far with the Founder's Edition.

I've been busy with other things so unfortunately the only two games I can speak to are Arkham Knight and Doom. I'm not doing any benchmarking nor am I recording fps or anything like that. There are plenty of reviews out there for hard numbers. My goal simply is to describe what my overall experience has been thus far with the Founders Edition

With Arkham I didn't see any dramatic increase over the 980 Ti Classified. I would wager a guess that overall I'm seeing an average increase of around 5 fps. Some of us know though that even currently, the PC port of Arkham Knight has issues. I am noticing occasional stutter with a single card and G-Sync enabled. It is what it is.

It was when I transitioned over to Doom that I saw some real performance gain. Previously I was running most, of not all graphics settings on "High" and getting anywhere from upper 70's to upper 80 fps. The 1080 achieves roughly the same performance with the "High" settings flipped to "Ultra". Definitely got a boost there. On a side note, graphics at this setting are quite remarkable in my opinion.

I seem to be experiencing the "fan revving" that is being described by a number of people in the various forums. Basically the card ramps up to high fan RPM for a moment and then goes back to normal. This doesn't seem to be dependent on temperature or load. Nvidia is aware and is working on a driver fix. While not the end of the world, it's disappointing given this is a premium product that carried a $100 price jump for those that wanted it ahead of the AIB cards.

I've had every Nvidia top card since the 8800 GTX with the exception of the 9800 GTX. Each of those were reference cards so I feel that I have a pretty good grasp on what to expect from the reference cooler. While I agree with reviews that state the 1080's cooler is quieter than previous generations, it does run at ~80*C with the stock fan profile. Beyond that, throttling begins as demonstrated quite well in JayZTwoCents video on YouTube. A more aggressive fan profile can help this but then the card is definitely audible in my Corsair 750D. Certainly a downgrade from the 980 Ti Classified which after long periods of running at 90%+ duty cycle was only audible if you specifically listened for it.

So far, if I had to make a ruling one way or the other, I am regretting purchasing the Founder's Edition. The performance is there but the stock cooler is underwhelming. If I was going to run SLI or add a full-cover block then this would be the way to go. Since I am doing neither of those things, I am strongly considering returning this card and holding out for the AIB versions.
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Originally Posted by MNiceGuy View Post

Thought I'd report back with my experiences thus far with the Founder's Edition.

I've been busy with other things so unfortunately the only two games I can speak to are Arkham Knight and Doom. I'm not doing any benchmarking nor am I recording fps or anything like that. There are plenty of reviews out there for hard numbers. My goal simply is to describe what my overall experience has been thus far with the Founders Edition

With Arkham I didn't see any dramatic increase over the 980 Ti Classified. I would wager a guess that overall I'm seeing an average increase of around 5 fps. Some of us know though that even currently, the PC port of Arkham Knight has issues. I am noticing occasional stutter with a single card and G-Sync enabled. It is what it is.

It was when I transitioned over to Doom that I saw some real performance gain. Previously I was running most, of not all graphics settings on "High" and getting anywhere from upper 70's to upper 80 fps. The 1080 achieves roughly the same performance with the "High" settings flipped to "Ultra". Definitely got a boost there. On a side note, graphics at this setting are quite remarkable in my opinion.

I seem to be experiencing the "fan revving" that is being described by a number of people in the various forums. Basically the card ramps up to high fan RPM for a moment and then goes back to normal. This doesn't seem to be dependent on temperature or load. Nvidia is aware and is working on a driver fix. While not the end of the world, it's disappointing given this is a premium product that carried a $100 price jump for those that wanted it ahead of the AIB cards.

I've had every Nvidia top card since the 8800 GTX with the exception of the 9800 GTX. Each of those were reference cards so I feel that I have a pretty good grasp on what to expect from the reference cooler. While I agree with reviews that state the 1080's cooler is quieter than previous generations, it does run at ~80*C with the stock fan profile. Beyond that, throttling begins as demonstrated quite well in JayZTwoCents video on YouTube. A more aggressive fan profile can help this but then the card is definitely audible in my Corsair 750D. Certainly a downgrade from the 980 Ti Classified which after long periods of running at 90%+ duty cycle was only audible if you specifically listened for it.

So far, if I had to make a ruling one way or the other, I am regretting purchasing the Founder's Edition. The performance is there but the stock cooler is underwhelming. If I was going to run SLI or add a full-cover block then this would be the way to go. Since I am doing neither of those things, I am strongly considering returning this card and holding out for the AIB versions.




It is why we recommended waiting for a GTX 1080 AIB.

The reality is that it's not going to be night and day compared to the 980Ti - we're talking about a GPU that is around maybe 25%-30% faster on average. It still is better performance, but a lot of people on hardware review sites and elsewhere have over-exaggerated the extent of the difference. That's like if something runs at 40 fps on average on the 980Ti, then maybe it will run 50-52 fps on the GTX 1080.

The blower tends to throttle and can get noisy on the GTX 1080, as you've leaned the hard way. The truth is, the card runs a lot hotter than the demos showed and it needs better cooling.

I'm actually disappointed in this GPU. We're talking 1.5 node shrinks (16/20nm hybrid) + a major architectural change for a meagre 25% compared to the previous generation. Sure it's a 314mm^2 GPU we're talking, but that's still underwhelming because it means that the Titan Pascal will only be 40% faster than this GPU, or about 60% faster than the 980Ti. I was hoping for 40% scaling, or close to 100% which I thought should have been possible with a 1.5 node shrink + a major change.


If it means anything, there is an EVGA GTX 1080 Classified on the way:
http://videocardz.com/60720/evga-gtx-1080-classified-hybrid-and-ftw-spotted

Personally, I"m waiting even longer for AMD Vega to come out early next year and to compare it versus large Pascal.
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Originally Posted by MNiceGuy View Post

First of all, I'm sure the information I'm asking for is out there but with the sheer amount of 1080 talk going on right now I am having trouble sifting through it.

I have a unique situation. Without boring everyone with the details, I recently purchased as 980 Ti Classified and have been using it to drive my Predator X34 (21:9, 3440x1440). I was at the store on some other business and learned that they had a few 1080 FE in stock so I picked one up.

I can return either card for a full refund. To keep it simple, let's say there is no cost advantage one way or the other.

On the one hand, the Classified is a top-end AIB card from a trusted vendor. It seems to run well and the ACX cooler keeps things nice and quiet.

On the other hand, the 1080 is the more powerful card but how much more powerful?

I've also seen some information that the blower cooler on the FE cards is not quite up to task and could ultimately result in throttling. Is that true of a non-overclocked example as well?

Everything else being the same..even if the performance was the same, which its not, ..you're getting a newer card that will have better driver support in the long run...a card that will run cooler and consume less energy while delivering the same performance. 1080 seems like the clear choice to me...
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I would honestly just wait for 1080Ti.
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Originally Posted by MNiceGuy View Post

First of all, I'm sure the information I'm asking for is out there but with the sheer amount of 1080 talk going on right now I am having trouble sifting through it.

I have a unique situation. Without boring everyone with the details, I recently purchased as 980 Ti Classified and have been using it to drive my Predator X34 (21:9, 3440x1440). I was at the store on some other business and learned that they had a few 1080 FE in stock so I picked one up.

I can return either card for a full refund. To keep it simple, let's say there is no cost advantage one way or the other.

On the one hand, the Classified is a top-end AIB card from a trusted vendor. It seems to run well and the ACX cooler keeps things nice and quiet.

On the other hand, the 1080 is the more powerful card but how much more powerful?

I've also seen some information that the blower cooler on the FE cards is not quite up to task and could ultimately result in throttling. Is that true of a non-overclocked example as well?

Yeah. You have a worse card.

No. I don't feel bad whatsoever.

As far as what you see... if you took a framerate counter off you would have no idea what the FPS is and both the cards would look exactly the same to your eyes... you could prob. run a 780ti with a 980ti and your card and you wouldn't be able to pick which is which.

I and (many others) tried to tell you in your thread a few weeks ago that IT MAKES NO SENSE TO GET A 980ti... You DID NOT LISTEN and made a new thread? Do you think now someone is going to tell you you made the right choice? (See rig in sig.)

We tried to warn you and well yeah... "Now" you get it?? What do you want us to tell you? That the newest BEST Nvidia card is worse than your 980ti? It's not. It's the best card ATM period.
Edited by st0necold - 6/7/16 at 6:39pm
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Congrats on the new child.

Completely glossed over these comments. Thanks guys. It's a lot of fun but I've quickly learned I am outmatched by the never-ending stream of toddler energy.
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Yeah. You have a worse card.

No. I don't feel bad whatsoever.

As far as what you see... if you took a framerate counter off you would have no idea what the FPS is and both the cards would look exactly the same to your eyes... you could prob. run a 780ti with a 980ti and your card and you wouldn't be able to pick which is which.

I and (many others) tried to tell you in your thread a few weeks ago that IT MAKES NO SENSE TO GET A 980ti... You DID NOT LISTEN and made a new thread? Do you think now someone is going to tell you you made the right choice? (See rig in sig.)

We tried to warn you and well yeah... "Now" you get it?? What do you want us to tell you? That the newest BEST Nvidia card is worse than your 980ti? It's not. It's the best card ATM period.

Based on your tone, I'm guessing (and hoping) you're having a tough day. I hope that gets better for you.

No matter which way you slice it, a 780 Ti was not enough to play the games I'm playing at the resolution I wanted to play them at. If it had been a reasonable experience, I would have happily continued on and kept the money in my pocket. Obviously buying top-tier hardware and the end of its life cycle is not financially wise especially when something new is lurking around the corner. I made a conscious decision to forgo that good sense so I could get a card now that could start driving my new monitor now.

Obviously a 1080 is going to win in terms of raw performance when stacked against even a heavily-overclocked 980 Ti. There are considerations beyond raw performance though to be made when comparing two examples of a given hardware component. I know from experience that jumping on brand-new tech the instant it becomes available can come with its own caveats. Once upon a time I picked up a 3870x2 which had such horrible launch day drivers that I ended up pulling it out of my system until the eventual updates came out. For my purposes, the flagship ATI card was unusable. Once the drivers were polished a little, it was a great card that I kept through its entire life cycle.

This same phenomenon has been evidenced, albeit in a less substantial fashion, in the 1080 launch with the fan revving issue affecting many owners as well as a fan profile that causes throttling even at stock speeds.

The real question I posed to OCN was whether or not to keep the 'old' card; a top of the range model of extremely good quality and stable, proven drivers or jump into the unknown. Sticking with the 780 Ti's or waiting an undermined amount of time for AIB stock to become readily available was not an option I was comfortable with. Sure, it's likely going to cost me in the long run but I'm honestly ok with it.
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Completely glossed over these comments. Thanks guys. It's a lot of fun but I've quickly learned I am outmatched by the never-ending stream of toddler energy.
Based on your tone, I'm guessing (and hoping) you're having a tough day. I hope that gets better for you.

No matter which way you slice it, a 780 Ti was not enough to play the games I'm playing at the resolution I wanted to play them at. If it had been a reasonable experience, I would have happily continued on and kept the money in my pocket. Obviously buying top-tier hardware and the end of its life cycle is not financially wise especially when something new is lurking around the corner. I made a conscious decision to forgo that good sense so I could get a card now that could start driving my new monitor now.

Obviously a 1080 is going to win in terms of raw performance when stacked against even a heavily-overclocked 980 Ti. There are considerations beyond raw performance though to be made when comparing two examples of a given hardware component. I know from experience that jumping on brand-new tech the instant it becomes available can come with its own caveats. Once upon a time I picked up a 3870x2 which had such horrible launch day drivers that I ended up pulling it out of my system until the eventual updates came out. For my purposes, the flagship ATI card was unusable. Once the drivers were polished a little, it was a great card that I kept through its entire life cycle.

This same phenomenon has been evidenced, albeit in a less substantial fashion, in the 1080 launch with the fan revving issue affecting many owners as well as a fan profile that causes throttling even at stock speeds.

The real question I posed to OCN was whether or not to keep the 'old' card; a top of the range model of extremely good quality and stable, proven drivers or jump into the unknown. Sticking with the 780 Ti's or waiting an undermined amount of time for AIB stock to become readily available was not an option I was comfortable with. Sure, it's likely going to cost me in the long run but I'm honestly ok with it.

Some AIB cards were already available. The MSI Hawk, and the Gigabyte G1 was available last night for a short period before it sold out.
 
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