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Thanks for this iLeakStuff. Definitely helps get an idea of the current market.

EDIT: Just jumping into the end of this conversation, I can see where Serandur is coming from. ref vs ref does give a general understanding of comparison, but custom cards would give a more in-depth comparison. Eliminating as many variables as possible would be best and both can suffer from thermal limits easily.

EDIT 2: For reference, my 980Ti's can hit 1450MHz stable at 1.27v and I'm sure they can hit 1550+ with a little more voltage, but anything past 1350 on stock coolers and these guys would be cooking.
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This is interesting..thanks for the info..It looks like BS review then and non reference GTX980TI after oc is alot faster than OC 1070 to max.
yeah boi you keep repeating that mantra 24/7 rolleyes.gif


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there isn't a single BS thing in that review, what are you talking about? once again, comparing reference 980Ti to reference 1080 is the proper and legitimate way to do it. it would be BS if reviewer did what Serandur insists of would be "correct way" comparing something like G1 to reference 1080. i think what he tries to prove, yet fails, is that 980Ti custom is better than reference, but 1080 custom isn't better than reference, which, ofcourse is false, and he's in denial. case and point: http://videocardz.com/60838/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-gaming-x-is-much-better-than-founders-edition
he is just salty about 1070 for some reason

possibly a current 980Ti owner and doesnt want a new cheaper card equaling his



1455Mhz 980Ti is a decent OC result for a non-reference 980Ti, those OC.net people with super special 1550+ overvolted 980Tis are not relevant to the actual reality of the majority of 980Ti owners
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1455Mhz 980Ti is a decent OC result for a non-reference 980Ti, all those people with 1550+ overvolted 980Tis are not relevant to the actual reality of the majority of 980Ti owners

I wouldnt say that. If you have a 980 Ti, then its very likely you're not considered an average gamer. I'd be willing to bet over 2/3rd of 980 Ti owners have modified BIOS' that give a slight voltage bump like mine.
     
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I wouldnt say that. If you have a 980 Ti, then its very likely you're not considered an average gamer. I'd be willing to bet over 2/3rd of 980 Ti owners have modified BIOS' that give a slight voltage bump like mine.
yeah, custom BIOS did a whole lot for my 980Ti, it brought it from pathetic 1370Mhz to a bit less pathetic 1400Mhz biggrin.gif
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no such statistics or proof exists

vast majority of GPU users will never touch BIOS or voltage (and if you do - why would you want to keep your card overvolted like that for 24/7 active gaming use ? I would never do that personally, thats for a benchmark or two)

980Ti is no different, its just for gamers with more money then what the 980 costs



also if you're going to cherry pick the best overvolted BIOS-modded 980Tis to a freakin reference basic 1070 OC then something is fishy

there have been some reports of people getting 2150+ stable on 1080 (may also apply to 1070), so why not compare to that

or at least to a ~EVGA 1070 Classified (or whatever the top 1070 EVGA model will be) when it comes out, for example



but until then this review shows us that a reference 1070 can go toe to toe with a custom 980Ti in an OC vs OC battle (it even won by 3% in 1440p results - see first post)

which is damn fine news for anyone looking to upgrade to a 1070
Edited by ChevChelios - 6/3/16 at 2:58am
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I wouldnt say that. If you have a 980 Ti, then its very likely you're not considered an average gamer. I'd be willing to bet over 2/3rd of 980 Ti owners have modified BIOS' that give a slight voltage bump like mine.
yeah, custom BIOS did a whole lot for my 980Ti, it brought it from pathetic 1370Mhz to a bit less pathetic 1400Mhz biggrin.gif

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no such statistics or proof exists

vast majority of GPU users will never touch BIOS or voltage (and if you do - why would you want to keep your card overvolted like that for 24/7 active gaming use ? I would never do that personally, thats for a benchmark or two)

980Ti is no different, its just for gamers with more money then what the 980 costs



also if you're going to cherry pick the best overvolted BIOS-modded 980Tis to a freakin reference basic 1070 OC then something is fishy

there have been some reports of people getting 2150+ stable on 1080/1070, so why not compare to that

or at least to a ~EVGA 1070 Classified when it comes out, for example

A little extra voltage doesn't kill cards, heat does. Cyclops will mod BIOS' for you so you don't have to be technically adept.

As for cherry picking, I went to the store and asked for two 980 Ti's on launch and I still have those same cards. Another thing, if you read what I said earlier, I said a more in depth comparison would be custom vs custom as well. My OC was just for reference to show that you can still have a good clocking reference card.
     
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As I said in OP:

This is reference vs reference.
2050MHz vs 1455MHz.

Both cards may have a little more juice left, but like some posters here say. It depends a bit about asic quality and what xard you are using.
Throttling occur both on Founder's Edition which was used here as well on Reference 980Ti.
AIBs do better. For example MSIs 1080 (cant remember the name) have a straight line while Founders go up and down a lot.
So 980Ti AIB vs 1070 AIB will have roughly the same performance difference.
2100MHz 1070 vs 1500 980Ti will be equal.

The end result is still the same as shown in this review
Edited by iLeakStuff - 6/3/16 at 3:07am
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@bigkahuna I have no beef with you, Im just saiyan


I think they did a good job with 1070, keeping up with OC 980Ti and even OC Titan X

sure they could have cut it less, but then it would have cost more too - do we want that ? nope

same with G5X - could put it in, but then it also costs more .. and you can OC the GDDR5 to 9 Gbps and (with compression) get plenty of bandwidth for 1440p which is where this card is meant to be working
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@bigkahuna I have no beef with you, Im just saiyan


I think they did a good job with 1070, keeping up with OC 980Ti and even OC Titan X

sure they could have cut it less, but then it would have cost more too - do we want that ? nope

same with G5X - could put it in, but then it also costs more .. and you can OC the GDDR5 to 9 Gbps and (with compression) get plenty of bandwidth for 1440p which is where this card is meant to be working

Just sounded like you were referencing my post in particular and were misinterpreting what I was trying to say.
     
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he is just salty about 1070 for some reason

possibly a current 980Ti owner and doesnt want a new cheaper card equaling his



1455Mhz 980Ti is a decent OC result for a non-reference 980Ti, all those people with 1550+ overvolted 980Tis are not relevant to the actual reality of the majority of 980Ti owners

You completely missed the point. I wasn't talking about monster max overclock frequencies, I was clearly talking about throttling (14.4% performance difference with only 1.7% max clock difference) on the reference cooler and gave direct evidence of it happening. You know what throttling is, right? It's when a processor dials its clock speeds down from its maximum stable or recorded value due to excessive temperatures. People throwing around childish accusations of "butthurt" and "salty" while projecting their own meanings onto another person's post aren't doing themselves any favors.

This isn't hard to understand. The 1070 in particular features a die with nearly a whole GPC-worth of dark (non-functional) silicon to help spread heat transfer area. It also has a vastly lower heat output in general. It's likely not throttling or not throttling anywhere near as much as the 980 Ti with reference coolers on both. We don't know either way for a fact, but we do know the reference 980 Ti cooler isn't sufficient enough to stop the 980 Ti from throttling hard.

Ergo, we need custom model tests to get a full idea of what both chips (GM200 and GP104) do relative to each other with thermal limitations removed. Because that's what enthusiasts do... they get the models without cooling issues or otherwise modify them to get rid of cooling issues. Especially now that the reference model has a premium price attached to it, people who know what they're doing are even more unlikely to buy reference Pascal cards and therefore the reference models are even more irrelevant than before.



And since the baseless insults keeps coming up,
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knowing about unequal heat output and the inadequacies of reference coolers does not make a person salty or whatever other nonsense insult people use. Nor does owning a 980 Ti. Here's a little secret about most people willing to dump $650-$700 on a single card; they have more where that came from and are already mentally and financially prepared to invest in big Pascal or its equivalent and big Volta or its equivalent both with more space in between to scratch upgrade itches with stopgap cards if they desire it.

980 Ti owners are largely not bothered about a similar performance-class being available for $200-$300 cheaper a year after the fact. Most of them are knowledgeable enough about GPUs to know it would happen and bought the 980 Tis anyway because an extra year of gaming at a certain performance class was more important than saving the equivalent of a few measly hours of overtime.

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