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Here is an OC comparison vs a custom 980 ti and the 1070 gtx. When both OC, the 980Ti g1 wipes the floor with the 1070 gtx.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1070_review,29.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/gigabyte_geforce_gtx_980_ti_g1_gaming_soc_review,35.html

I doubt we will see any difference with a custom 1070.
Mostly because guru3d reviewed the custom 1080 gtx msi oc (custom pcb with extra phases and 8+6 power)
and it didn't overclock any better than the founders edition!! Pascal is soo highly clocked that ran out of overclocking headroom.

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/nvidia_geforce_gtx_1080_review,29.html

http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_geforce_gtx_1080_gaming_x_8g_review,38.html
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post #92 of 389
a 1500 980Ti never surpasses reference 1080, that is a straight up lie .. much less reaches an OCed 1080

a 1450Mhz 980Ti is on par with an OC reference 1070 (the review in the first post, done on a single system for all cards, directly comparing them against each other, shows that .. unlike cherry picked results by 980Ti users from different runs/setups) and both are ~20%+ below OC reference 1080

and a 1500 980Ti is only a tiny bit faster then 1450 980Ti



980Ti users really cant let it go, wow

and they use custom BIOS results against reference results LUL
Edited by ChevChelios - 6/3/16 at 5:51am
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After seeing the article, if i were a titan x or 980ti owner i would wait for the 1080ti to upgrade if i wanted. There is no point to go to the 1080, the performance upgrade is not enough. What performance will the 1080 have in NEW games at 4k? i have the feeling that it will not be enough (for steady 60fps at least)

On the other hand, if i were to upgrade from something with less performance a 1070 seems nice, but honestly for me is still overpriced. I'm a budget consumer anyway.
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I wouldnt say that. If you have a 980 Ti, then its very likely you're not considered an average gamer. I'd be willing to bet over 2/3rd of 980 Ti owners have modified BIOS' that give a slight voltage bump like mine.

I must be darn luck with my cards then. I have yet to modified BIOS or mess with voltage.

960 will fold at 1551MHz under Linux at stock volts with 99% load.
Both 980Tis will fold 1530MHz, sometimes 1545MHz depending on units under Windows with volts at 1.25. tongue.gif

Do note though. The Tis have full cover blocks, and the 960 got an AIO smacked to it.

Me, I just waiting on big die and folding numbers plus BOINC numbers. Since I rarely game on my PC now (nothing much interest for me). And even if I game, I wait months for games to go to bargain bin prices and I usually rock the same driver for 6+ months. Reason I rocked my OG Titans all the way into this year. Finally sold them early, funny thing I got more for them than what most people are paying for used 900 series GPUs.

Hopefully big die Pascal has a nice jump. I just worry about the price though. Think I be doing the long waiting game again for some used ones.
 
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Originally Posted by ChevChelios View Post

a 1500 980Ti never surpasses reference 1080, that is a straight up lie .. much less reaches an OCed 1080

a 1450Mhz 980Ti is on par with an OC reference 1070 (the review in the first post, done on a single system for all cards, directly comparing them against each other, shows that .. unlike cherry picked results by 980Ti users from different runs/setups) and both are ~20%+ below OC reference 1080

and a 1500 980Ti is only a tiny bit faster then 1450 980Ti



980Ti users really cant let it go, wow

and they use custom BIOS results against reference results LUL

Yeah no
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Have you seen these Hardwareluxx benchmarks?




1080 @ 2114/11520 is around 15% faster than a 980 Ti @ 1500/8000
post #96 of 389
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Almost too funny to see all the people in denial here. As expected.

Proof right in front of them but the ego is just too big.
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Originally Posted by Ithanul View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by bigkahuna360 View Post

I wouldnt say that. If you have a 980 Ti, then its very likely you're not considered an average gamer. I'd be willing to bet over 2/3rd of 980 Ti owners have modified BIOS' that give a slight voltage bump like mine.

I must be darn luck with my cards then. I have yet to modified BIOS or mess with voltage.

960 will fold at 1551MHz under Linux at stock volts with 99% load.
Both 980Tis will fold 1530MHz, sometimes 1545MHz depending on units under Windows with volts at 1.25. tongue.gif

Do note though. The Tis have full cover blocks, and the 960 got an AIO smacked to it.

Me, I just waiting on big die and folding numbers plus BOINC numbers. Since I rarely game on my PC now (nothing much interest for me). And even if I game, I wait months for games to go to bargain bin prices and I usually rock the same driver for 6+ months. Reason I rocked my OG Titans all the way into this year. Finally sold them early, funny thing I got more for them than what most people are paying for used 900 series GPUs.

Hopefully big die Pascal has a nice jump. I just worry about the price though. Think I be doing the long waiting game again for some used ones.

Sorry for taking so long getting back to you. From what I gather, 960, 970, and 980 have average OC's around 1450-1550MHz, but those numbers are harder to hit with the 980 Ti's with the average being around 1350-1450MHz.

I think you and I got really good chips. I have boost disabled so I don't know how far they'd go normally, but next week, I'm gonna pump 1.35-1.4v into them and see how far I can go! I'm praying for 1600MHz since I got 1500 out of my 780 Classy stable.

Oh! I think before I flashed the BIOS', Heaven was saying they were running at 1535MHz, but that seems a little far off. I don't think it'll be *too* worth it for us to upgrade when the 1080Ti releases. Should probably wait for the next Ti for maximum benefits. I'll still probably keep these guys though. They perform too good to just sell off. Perfect for a mini LAN rig for when I wanna hang out with friends or go to PDXLAN.
     
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Darn, they must have a sucky 980Ti or these two used ones I have run great. My two I can fold at around 1530MHz and bench at 1570MHz. They stock boost to around 1498MHz.

Still, hope they compare the big die once it drops later on. Anyone folded on these cards yet?

My babies, sad-smiley-002.gif
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You completely missed the point. I wasn't talking about monster max overclock frequencies, I was clearly talking about throttling (14.4% performance difference with only 1.7% max clock difference) on the reference cooler and gave direct evidence of it happening. You know what throttling is, right? It's when a processor dials its clock speeds down from its maximum stable or recorded value due to excessive temperatures. People throwing around childish accusations of "butthurt" and "salty" while projecting their own meanings onto another person's post aren't doing themselves any favors.

This isn't hard to understand. The 1070 in particular features a die with nearly a whole GPC-worth of dark (non-functional) silicon to help spread heat transfer area. It also has a vastly lower heat output in general. It's likely not throttling or not throttling anywhere near as much as the 980 Ti with reference coolers on both. We don't know either way for a fact, but we do know the reference 980 Ti cooler isn't sufficient enough to stop the 980 Ti from throttling hard.

Ergo, we need custom model tests to get a full idea of what both chips (GM200 and GP104) do relative to each other with thermal limitations removed. Because that's what enthusiasts do... they get the models without cooling issues or otherwise modify them to get rid of cooling issues. Especially now that the reference model has a premium price attached to it, people who know what they're doing are even more unlikely to buy reference Pascal cards and therefore the reference models are even more irrelevant than before.



And since the baseless insults keeps coming up,
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
knowing about unequal heat output and the inadequacies of reference coolers does not make a person salty or whatever other nonsense insult people use. Nor does owning a 980 Ti. Here's a little secret about most people willing to dump $650-$700 on a single card; they have more where that came from and are already mentally and financially prepared to invest in big Pascal or its equivalent and big Volta or its equivalent both with more space in between to scratch upgrade itches with stopgap cards if they desire it.

980 Ti owners are largely not bothered about a similar performance-class being available for $200-$300 cheaper a year after the fact. Most of them are knowledgeable enough about GPUs to know it would happen and bought the 980 Tis anyway because an extra year of gaming at a certain performance class was more important than saving the equivalent of a few measly hours of overtime.

We already know that the AIB 1080 cards don't overclock any better than the FE, so I believe we will see the same thing with the 1070. That's why I believe for the first time, the reference cooler is sufficient for max overclock concerning the 1070/1080.

As far as 980Ti users being salty, I see no reason for them to be. They have had 1070 performance far longer than a 1070 user will have that performance.
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The performance gap will get worse for Maxwell cards as well. I am sure Nvidia will pull another Kepler and just stop releasing optimizations for it (if they havent already internally) only focusing on the latest gen. Gotta give people a reason to upgrade!

I am not sure there will be much difference this time as Pascal is just a smaller process Maxwell as far as architecture.

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I read this article couple days back and it was extremely informative for me as a 980Ti owner. I don't know why some people here make absurd claims that overclocked 980Ti = overclocked 1080. This review proves that when both cards overclocked to the max, 1080 is still far ahead. It's a really good and professional review, proper way to compare cards, just shows how clueless youtube and other mainstream reviewers are.
I would not call 10-15% "far ahead',but it is better.
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there isn't a single BS thing in that review, what are you talking about? once again, comparing reference 980Ti to reference 1080 is the proper and legitimate way to do it. it would be BS if reviewer did what Serandur insists of would be "correct way" comparing something like G1 to reference 1080. i think what he tries to prove, yet fails, is that 980Ti custom is better than reference, but 1080 custom isn't better than reference, which, ofcourse is false, and he's in denial. case and point: http://videocardz.com/60838/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-gaming-x-is-much-better-than-founders-edition
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no such statistics or proof exists
vast majority of GPU users will never touch BIOS or voltage (and if you do - why would you want to keep your card overvolted like that for 24/7 active gaming use ? I would never do that personally, thats for a benchmark or two)
980Ti is no different, its just for gamers with more money then what the 980 costs
also if you're going to cherry pick the best overvolted BIOS-modded 980Tis to a freakin reference basic 1070 OC then something is fishy
there have been some reports of people getting 2150+ stable on 1080 (may also apply to 1070), so why not compare to that
or at least to a ~EVGA 1070 Classified (or whatever the top 1070 EVGA model will be) when it comes out, for example
but until then this review shows us that a reference 1070 can go toe to toe with a custom 980Ti in an OC vs OC battle (it even won by 3% in 1440p results - see first post)
which is damn fine news for anyone looking to upgrade to a 1070

980Ti reference is INFERIOR to AIB's. GTX FE is not.


Especially in the cut-die 1070.
Funny how when comparing FuryX and 980Ti it was acceptable to use mod bios because it was assumed anyone buying 980Ti could easily do it (not my viewpoint),now when comparing 980Ti and 1080 using mod bios is not fair. thumb.gif


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Pretty sure 1070 will gain 10%+ over 980Ti once newer drivers for Pascal arrives
Want to make a bet on that?
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