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We don't buy used processors (some exceptions for golden chips.) If it's sealed, we could try to work something out.

What's the best you've seen on a BW-E chip so far, or what would you call a golden 6950, 6900, or 6800?

BTW, the 6700K I've got from you is working great. Chugging along at 1.35V @ 4.7, running near 24/7 with some media production workloads.

Can't wait to see what our new builds with your 4.4 6900K, and 4.4 6800K will do =)
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What's the best you've seen on a BW-E chip so far, or what would you call a golden 6950, 6900, or 6800?

BTW, the 6700K I've got from you is working great. Chugging along at 1.35V @ 4.7, running near 24/7 with some media production workloads.

Can't wait to see what our new builds with your 4.4 6900K, and 4.4 6800K will do =)

The best we have seen is 4.6 on the 6 cores, but only 4.4 on the 8-10 cores. We can't use as much voltage on the latter SKUs without running into thermal issues on our H105s, which is likely why those have been lower.
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It seems that everyone has been commenting lately about degradation occurring at anything over 1.3 V. Has anyone actually confirmed a problem when running about that voltage? Seems the system is still pretty new and lots of people are playing guessing games???

I'm running 1.310v, which is well controlled temp wise by my EK water cooling system. But several people have warned me against going over 1.300v. If that is true, it really takes away from the value of a custom water cooling system.
    
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It seems that everyone has been commenting lately about degradation occurring at anything over 1.3 V. Has anyone actually confirmed a problem when running about that voltage? Seems the system is still pretty new and lots of people are playing guessing games???

I'm running 1.310v, which is well controlled temp wise by my EK water cooling system. But several people have warned me against going over 1.300v. If that is true, it really takes away from the value of a custom water cooling system.
All silicon chips will experience some type of degradation, it's just how fast are you willing to allow it to. If you need to keep your chip for 20+ years then I would say stay below 1.3v. For me I'm willing to run my chip with 1.35v for 3 years if I had to but luckily I can run my 6950x at 1.28v stable (XTU stress/bench) @ 4.4GHz with 3.5GHz cache. I was able to run it at 1.26v but sometimes it dips to 1.240v and experience instability on full load so I increased it to 1.28v to offset it. I still don't have the full grasp of LLC levels but I have that set to auto which is probably what is causing the issue, feel free to chime in if you know how I can fix it so I can drop the voltage back down to 1.260v on a R5E10 board smile.gif
Edited by Artah - 8/9/16 at 10:08am
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All silicon chips will experience some type of degradation, it's just how fast are you willing to allow it to. If you need to keep your chip for 20+ years then I would say stay below 1.3v. For me I'm willing to run my chip with 1.35v for 3 years if I had to but luckily I can run my 6950x at 1.28v stable (XTU stress/bench) @ 4.4GHz with 3.5GHz cache. I was able to run it at 1.26v but sometimes it dips to 1.240v and experience instability on full load so I increased it to 1.28v to offset it. I still don't have the full grasp of LLC levels but I have that set to auto which is probably what is causing the issue, feel free to chime in if you know how I can fix it so I can drop the voltage back down to 1.260v on a R5E10 board smile.gif

LLC only affects VCCIN. Try 1.9-1.92 VCCIN with LLC set to Level 5.
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LLC only affects VCCIN. Try 1.9-1.92 VCCIN with LLC set to Level 5.
I'll try it when I get home thanks.
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All silicon chips will experience some type of degradation, it's just how fast are you willing to allow it to. If you need to keep your chip for 20+ years then I would say stay below 1.3v. For me I'm willing to run my chip with 1.35v for 3 years if I had to but luckily I can run my 6950x at 1.28v stable (XTU stress/bench) @ 4.4GHz with 3.5GHz cache. I was able to run it at 1.26v but sometimes it dips to 1.240v and experience instability on full load so I increased it to 1.28v to offset it. I still don't have the full grasp of LLC levels but I have that set to auto which is probably what is causing the issue, feel free to chime in if you know how I can fix it so I can drop the voltage back down to 1.260v on a R5E10 board smile.gif

LLC only affects VCCIN. Try 1.9-1.92 VCCIN with LLC set to Level 5.
Wait, isn't that VCCIN for HW-E and not BW-E?
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Wait, isn't that VCCIN for HW-E and not BW-E?

same thing for BW-E
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It seems that everyone has been commenting lately about degradation occurring at anything over 1.3 V. Has anyone actually confirmed a problem when running about that voltage? Seems the system is still pretty new and lots of people are playing guessing games???

I'm running 1.310v, which is well controlled temp wise by my EK water cooling system. But several people have warned me against going over 1.300v. If that is true, it really takes away from the value of a custom water cooling system.

If you are referring to the MSI review that has since been pulled (again), then this certainly is not everyone as you put it.

I have asked Dan how HardOCP conducted their testing in terms of what voltage modes were used. Those guys tend to use Prime, and even the older 27 versions can pull enough current to cause issues. He has yet to reply, but from his comments it is obvious he is using either an adaptive or a manual voltage.

In order for the AVX offset to work, voltage mode needs to be left in Auto in order to keep current at a safe level in tests like Prime, as the drop in multiplier alone is not enough. This is discussed here in the overview of ASUS' thermal control tool written by Raja. http://edgeup.asus.com/2016/05/31/get-best-performance-broadwell-e-processors-asus-thermal-control-tool/

The same was observed with HWE even without Intel's AVX offset being used incorrectly. Beyond this, no drastic cases have been reported anywhere else.
Edited by Silent Scone - 8/10/16 at 8:35am
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LLC only affects VCCIN. Try 1.9-1.92 VCCIN with LLC set to Level 5.
No worky, I'll have to try sometimes else.
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