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Yup. That's what I saw. That thing is for Mainstream CPU'S only. HEDT CPU'S will not work well with it.

So I can PM Foxrena and possibly buy the block in the OP?

I'd be super down. No idea why TEC's aren't used anymore. The technology is pretty darn cool.
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Originally Posted by LiamG6 View Post

yep thats fox, wasn't getting any hits on google but that might be because i'm in Australia.

EDIT, just added the "tec" to previous "kingdom of cooling" search and got the first result. thumb.gif

Back to the question of nexxusty, foxrena tested this block with a 669w TEC on a hex core (3930k I think) and it wasn't really sufficient unless you just want to stay around dew point/ambient temp, but yes the block physically fits and I believe the cold plate steps down to ~38x38mm so fits the socket 2011-3 IHS too.

The block in the OP?

Hmm. K.

I'm not looking for sub ambient really. I'd just like to have some serious cooling power. 6950x at 4.5ghz at about 1.4v will put out a crazy amount of heat. I'd like to keep it under 50 loaded.

Helps when you aren't winning the silicon lottery... which I never do... lol.

I used to read about TEC's all the time when I was a kid. Now I can understand themy and hopefully end up utilizing one with this block.

Any tips or major flaws in my theories pointed out will be met with appreciation. Thanks!
Edited by nexxusty - 8/12/16 at 12:50am
post #112 of 125
T38 = Archimedes = Block in OP, you are looking at the same thing here and on the website. It is powerful enough to keep the cold side at ambient temp, maybe even down to dew point temp on 6950x, but you'll probably need to apply 15v+ to the TEC. What that translates to in core temp I'm not sure. 50*c core temp may be possible but not likely on the 6950x at 1.4v, but if you can afford a 6950x I think you could afford the T38 to test the theory out ;-)

Yeah TEC's are a great way to push custom water cooling set ups just that little bit further. For me, TEC gives me the performance that I actually wanted from switching from air to custom water cooling, custom water cooling doesn't really allow you to push much more or get a better OC, it's quiet and looks good, but TEC really brings the performance in terms of OC head room too, and still keeps it reasonable in terms of size, noise, looks, even if it loses out to SS phase change in terms of performance.
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Originally Posted by LiamG6 View Post

T38 = Archimedes = Block in OP, you are looking at the same thing here and on the website. It is powerful enough to keep the cold side at ambient temp, maybe even down to dew point temp on 6950x, but you'll probably need to apply 15v+ to the TEC. What that translates to in core temp I'm not sure. 50*c core temp may be possible but not likely on the 6950x at 1.4v, but if you can afford a 6950x I think you could afford the T38 to test the theory out ;-)

Yeah TEC's are a great way to push custom water cooling set ups just that little bit further. For me, TEC gives me the performance that I actually wanted from switching from air to custom water cooling, custom water cooling doesn't really allow you to push much more or get a better OC, it's quiet and looks good, but TEC really brings the performance in terms of OC head room too, and still keeps it reasonable in terms of size, noise, looks, even if it loses out to SS phase change in terms of performance.

Thanks for the response bro.

Your thoughts basically mirror mine. Watercooling is decent but it's not enough. Water + TEC should be great.

6950x was just an example.... lol I can't afford that thing.
post #114 of 125
It's perfect for 6700K. Cypres on here pushed his 6700K to 5ghz with a TEC. Also good for anything from 3570K to 6700K. Hoping it's good for ZEN too!
post #115 of 125
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It's perfect for 6700K. Cypres on here pushed his 6700K to 5ghz with a TEC. Also good for anything from 3570K to 6700K. Hoping it's good for ZEN too!

I need at least 6 cores. Coffee Lake will have 6 core mainstream cpus. Non HEDT.

If I couldn't use this with my 5930k for now it'd be useless for me. I might order one just to have it though.

ZEN is a good point as well.
post #116 of 125
Whats your OC? 4.5ghz? What do you want to OC to, 4.8ghz? It should be able to keep cold plate temp under ambient at 100% load. Not sure if that's worth it for you though. it's better than water cooling, but not by much. Maybe 10*c lower core temps than custom water cooling.
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Whats your OC? 4.5ghz? What do you want to OC to, 4.8ghz? It should be able to keep cold plate temp under ambient at 100% load. Not sure if that's worth it for you though. it's better than water cooling, but not by much. Maybe 10*c lower core temps than custom water cooling.

With this 5930k, 4.3GHz. It's a dog.

Another 10c would be great actually. That and a 9x120mm Rad should suffice for a 15c or more drop. I run 480mm now.

I load at 75c now... so I'd bet it would help even more than 10c. I need to get a good TEC too.

Any recommendations? I want the best longest lasting one, 630w should be enough.
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It is an Archimedes block from Foxrena. Killer block!

ok, so if you where to build a chill box for the full build, it is a TEC water chiller, cooling a direct die TEC on the CPU, if I am not mistaken, I think that kind of setup would be able to take this system to a really cold level. thumb.gif
I would like to see just how low this system can really go, someday. biggrin.gif
I just realized something, I still have the option of adding a TEC directly to the top of my CPU, then I would have basically the same thing. bulb.gif
maybe I should get one of these water blocks, that way I can have this as a optional upgrade to the build. rolleyes.gif
I would need to add two 10AWG wires going through ice chest V3.0, I would also need a big TEC for a direct die setup, thanks puck, for all of these great ideas. cheers.gif
Edited by toolmaker03 - 8/13/16 at 7:39am
post #119 of 125
nexxusty. thermonamic 669w TEHC1-19940 http://www.thermonamic.com/TEHC1-19940-English.PDF run it at 12v. You need a controller. if I was you I would PM foxrena and ask his opinion about what temps he thinks you will get on the 5930K

tools, how have you only just realized this? just be aware that a direct die and a chiller (expecially cascade) is tripling down on your heatload from the TEC, so it takes a lot of TEC unless you remove your GPU's from your cold loop. ie with a direct die tec on your CPU your CPU heat load is now 400w instead of 200w. so your heatload for your chiller is now 800w instead of 600w.
Edited by LiamG6 - 8/12/16 at 10:31pm
post #120 of 125
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Originally Posted by LiamG6 View Post

nexxusty. thermonamic 669w TEHC1-19940 http://www.thermonamic.com/TEHC1-19940-English.PDF run it at 12v. You need a controller. if I was you I would PM foxrena and ask his opinion about what temps he thinks you will get on the 5930K

tools, how have you only just realized this? just be aware that a direct die and a chiller (expecially cascade) is tripling down on your heatload from the TEC, so it takes a lot of TEC unless you remove your GPU's from your cold loop. ie with a direct die tec on your CPU your CPU heat load is now 400w instead of 200w. so your heatload for your chiller is now 800w instead of 600w.

Correct - if you read my sig thread, I actually was getting ready to add a THIRD Black Ice GTX480 gen2 to my hot side loop because of how much heat I was getting. It was warming up the room pretty quickly when I pushed it for testing and benching..and that was with 2xCTE400 chillers on a CTE400 direct die. If you were to replace the direct die with a TN669 and add a third CTE400 chiller then it would be an insane setup, but we're talking a TON of heat and power draw.

My next big change will be something like a phase chillbox inside a custom desk set to maintain 0c ambient temp, with the Archimedes direct die TEC on the CPU and the 2x CTE400 chillers on whatever GPUs I get (RX490?). That will be fun biggrin.gif. Hopefully if I seal the box well enough, the phase won't be turning on often enough to drive me crazy...just when the temp breaks 0c to keep the dew point to where I won't need to insulate anything inside.
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Intel i7 4790K "Relidded" @ 5ghz <50c Asus Sabertooth Z97 MK1 Custom WC'd 7970 3GB @ 1100/1500 stock volts Custom WC'd 7970 3GB @ 1100/1500 stock volts 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
2X4GB Patriot Viper Extreme 1TB Velociraptor 10k RPM w/ 64MB Cache Two Arqtik TEC Chillers in Series Archimedes TEC block w/TN660 TEC 
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Two Ported/tapped MCP655 Pumps 2x Black Ice GTX 480 Gen2 Rads DD dual drive bay Res with LCD water temp monit... GPU Loop: Modded Enzotech Sapphire CPU blocks, ... 
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36x Globe 120mm 80cfm server fans Win 10 Pro Mint 15(KDE) 4K 28" Samsung U590D 
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Logitech G710+ Mechanical CM Silent Power M 1000watt Main, OCZ Z850W Slave Custom Mountain Mods Extended-Extended Ascension Logitech G502 Proteus 
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Intel i7 4790K "Relidded" @ 5ghz <50c Asus Sabertooth Z97 MK1 Custom WC'd 7970 3GB @ 1100/1500 stock volts Custom WC'd 7970 3GB @ 1100/1500 stock volts 
RAMHard DriveCoolingCooling
2X4GB Patriot Viper Extreme 1TB Velociraptor 10k RPM w/ 64MB Cache Two Arqtik TEC Chillers in Series Archimedes TEC block w/TN660 TEC 
CoolingCoolingCoolingCooling
Two Ported/tapped MCP655 Pumps 2x Black Ice GTX 480 Gen2 Rads DD dual drive bay Res with LCD water temp monit... GPU Loop: Modded Enzotech Sapphire CPU blocks, ... 
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36x Globe 120mm 80cfm server fans Win 10 Pro Mint 15(KDE) 4K 28" Samsung U590D 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G710+ Mechanical CM Silent Power M 1000watt Main, OCZ Z850W Slave Custom Mountain Mods Extended-Extended Ascension Logitech G502 Proteus 
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