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I'm going to go full noob post here...

I've done a few different WC loops over the years, but never anything more than that. It was always sufficient.
My 5930k is still temp limited with a custom loop...

What would I need to do an ambiant under load TEC loop? I would rather not deal with condensation...
I have power and rad space to spare. (280+240+140)
$$$ est?
post #72 of 125
Ok, that's sounding positive Puck, keen for results, I found spreading kryotherm on the TEC is almost impossible too, best way for me was to put a few blobs on the tec then smear the tec against the block until coverage was even, then remove excess before clamping down, bit harder with CLU/CLP.

whitrzac you would need to speak to master chicken and foxrena to get a hold of a dew point temp controller, or try your hand with an arduino if you have basic electronics/coding knowledge. Slapping a TEC on something is the easy part, controlling it to stay above dew temp is the hard part. I use an ebay PWM TEC temp controller but it stays at the temp I set and doesn't dynamically stay above dew point temp to avoid condensation so I just insulate heavily. The other thing is the custom waterblock to use the large 62mm TEC's. With a 5930k and a goal of ~ambient you would be fine with a CTE 400w TEC or Thermonamic 669w TEC, just need to sort a controller to keep you above dew temp. Puck has a great controller but they haven't been made for years. Just keep in mind, if you checked your current coolant temp and then compared it with your max core temp under 100% load, that delta will still remain when you use a TEC, so using a TEC and holding the cold side at ambient temp or just above dew point temp will still result in a very high core temp, ie core temp +40-50*c above the cold side temp of the TEC is pretty normal.
post #73 of 125
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Originally Posted by whitrzac View Post

I'm going to go full noob post here...

I've done a few different WC loops over the years, but never anything more than that. It was always sufficient.
My 5930k is still temp limited with a custom loop...

What would I need to do an ambiant under load TEC loop? I would rather not deal with condensation...
I have power and rad space to spare. (280+240+140)
$$$ est?

What type of load, and at what clocks and voltage? I have ran enough different chips and setups under TEC to at least share some info...

Due to the crazy high heat density of newer i7s, it is difficult to hit ambient load temps with a healthy OC. For example, my 24/7 settings on my 4790k are 4.8ghz w/ 1.3v (it can use less volts, I've just never tweaked it since I use it's stable 5ghz settings and just drop the multi to keep it cooler for 24/7 use). At those clocks, I can lock my single TEC block at 12c and game all day with my hottest core temp never breaking ~47c. Rest of the cores are 40-43c. As you can see, even with CLP under the IHS you can expect a 30c delta from the IHS temp to the load core temp. This means to have an ambient full load, you will need to have a setup that can keep the cold plate in the -5 to -10c range at full load. I can tell you that a single CTE 400w TEC cannot do anywhere near that with a 4.5+ghz i7...in fact, at 4.8ghz the poor thing can only hold 10-11c at full load. With a much better block and a more powerful TEC it will perform much better...and hopefully I will have a direct comparison within a week with a full copper, high fin density block and a more powerful TN 600+w TEC.

Now, when I had my chillers in line with the same block it was a different story. I had 2x CTE400w chillers cooling the TEC block, and with the coolant temp set for 5c the block was barely working to keep 0c cold plate. That setup was probably good for the ambient load temps you are looking for, but I never ran the block full tilt to check. I just know I had 60-70% more duty cycle left in the TEC and it was already holding 0c. My sig has a link to that setup, but fair warning it was neither efficient with electricity nor an effective use of money vs something like a phase chiller. I just enjoy working with TECs and built it for fun. The setup had 2x480 worth of rad space, two separate loops, three D5 pumps in total, a custom insulated res, two TEC chillers in series, a TEC block, two different temp+humidity monitoring digital controllers, and lots of insulation on the mobo and cold side tubing just for the CPU alone. Not counting the second PSU needed to handle the 600+ watts of additional power draw strictly for the cooling loops.

The 4790k is actually easier to cool then my 3770k was, but your 6core 5930k will be a bear to cool with any sizable OC. Those things are HOT, even with water cooling it is common to see 75+c at only ~4.5ghz.
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post #74 of 125
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Oops, I was also thinking ambient CPU temps under load. If you don't want to insulate, then you only need ambient block/IHS temp under load which is no problem at all. A single CTE400 would probably only need ~30-40% duty cycle on your 6core to hold a 20c block temp at load. Your CPU temp will be around 55c while gaming, and 60-65c with a more intensive benchmarking load like hyperpi (which is a more realistic load temp then something way overkill like IBT or P95, which will be at least ~10c over temps you will ever see in benchmarking or gaming).
Edited by Puck - 8/1/16 at 7:32pm
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Thanks. I need to do some more research now... I have a C2D setup to experiment on:thumb:

It can do ~4.5 at 1.2v and it will boot at 4.9 at 1.4ish but I have trouble keeping it cool even at 4.5ghz.

I am one of those dinosaurs that uses P95 though.redface.gif
post #76 of 125
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I have all the hardware to do a through board spring mount now instead of the backplate hard mount I was using before, should make more more consistent and safer mounts. Also sleeved the new TEC wiring with some old PSU sleeving. For the life of me I cannot find my art eraser stash so I will have to pick more up, but all I have left is after insulating the block is to solder the thermistor to the controller connector then pin the 4-pin EPS connector for the main TEC power.

Still aiming to have it installed by Friday - maybe tomorrow if I get off work early.
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Slight delay and small change of plans. While getting ready to attach the 4pin to the TEC wiring, I removed the 4pin from my current controller to verify the connector was the same standard EPS layout. I noticed instantly that one of the pins was starting to show some severe browning and heat damage on the connector. Nothing melting, but definitely over heating. It could have been due to the pins just being crimped and not soldered, but if it started to do that with the ~12A from the CTE400 there is no way I risk it with the 18A from the TN669.

Ordered some 30A rated powerpole connectors, and will solder them directly to the controller PCB and TEC leads. Guess we'll still have to see how the poor controller holds up to ~30% more power draw then it was built for biggrin.gif.


Still aiming for Friday, but its my birthday and going out Friday evening with friends then headed across the state for the weekend...will have to do like 90% of it tomorrow night!
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post #79 of 125
Nice catch. Enjoy your birthday and the weekend.
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I think mindchill said his controller could handle 20amps if you pushed it (might have been 25, can't recall), problem is the TN669 pulls about 25amps when you first turn it on, unless your duty cycle is set at like 25% on start up. Is there some sort of soft start function in the controller?

Either way, not a good sign, could have been one pin wasn't touching correctly and adding resistance/heat, not something you want to take chances with. EC3 connectors can handle 60 amps continuous. EDIT ah I see, you are desoldering the 4 pin on the controller and upgrading to a 30amp PCB terminal, good plan, I just soldered my wires directly to PCB biggrin.gif Bit ugly though.

Oh and Happy Birthday!! drunken.gif
Edited by LiamG6 - 8/3/16 at 7:30pm
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