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Originally Posted by Zantrill View Post

what are they gonna do? force people to pay next month when the "free" is over? headscratch.gif

shut off your copy as if it was a pirated copy, telling you to purchase a legal copy.
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Just download Never10 and move on. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post

You're pointing to an important problem. Microsoft thinks it's just easier to take all of its customers for fools and ignorant and thus force things on them than to make an effort to explain to them the pros and cons and give them options. If they aren't making the effort to be considerate and move knowledge further, they are doing it wrong and should not expect any sympathy from customers.

By the way, nice trendy way to finish your post. That's the crowd Microsoft is aiming at. We beg to differ.


Again, excuse any grammar/spelling mistakes.

I just came back into this for this specific post. I hate to tell you this but 99% of Windows users are ignorant fools. I deal with thousands of users everyday and it blows my mind how careless people are when it comes to OS safety and security. Those 99% need the big brother approach because they are the ones who make it easy for malicious software to bounce around the internet. Fun Fact, over the past 6 months, one of our customers got crypto'd 3 times even after we've implemented every prevention we can think of due to "fools" who don't know well enough not to click on that Facebook link about losing 10 pounds in 10 minutes or opening that email from an unknown address because it has supposed "pay pal funds to transfer".

You do have the option. It's not to upgrade. As stated, this force only goes into effect AFTER you've clicked yes. Not sure on the laws of where your at but where I'm from, once you sign that dotted line for a service, it's extremely hard to back out. By clicking yes, you've agreed and the choice cannot be reversed. Says it right in the GWX update. As for the pros and cons, people love being spoofed everything. No one wants to put in the foot work and find out themselves. MS has all types of documentation on their website about Windows 10. Heck even the GWX update has a link for more info where you can learn about Windows 10 yourself as well as a forum where you can ask all the questions you need and get answers for actual Microsoft employees. As I said before, people love to be spooned and not take the time to put in the foot work.

If I'm the crowd MS is looking for, then they are on the right path. I'm an IT professional with 5 years in the business with multiple comptia certifications and I'm a Microsoft Certified Professional with Windows 7, Server 2012 R2, an I'm current working on my MCSA Windows 10. I'd like to say I know a little bit about MS software. I like to learn about the software before I implement and I'm very carefully about security and safety for myself, family, and the hundreds of companies my employer supports which totals to thousands of ignorant and foolish users. What MS is doing is no different than what we do to these companies. We force OS updates, software updates, patches, fixes, implement best practices, etc to keep these business efficient and running. No different than what MS is doing except you actually get a choice in if you want the upgrade or not. In retrospect, MS is a hella lot kinder than a lot of IT' companies.
Edited by NexusRed - 6/4/16 at 3:32am
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post #124 of 204
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Originally Posted by LoLomgbbq View Post

What amazing is MS give no care. They've no released any statement as to why they're doing things this way, have they?

They did - atleast for this news. Read the update in the article.
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Originally Posted by KarathKasun View Post

i5-2500k IGP works fine in Windows 10, not sure what you are talking about.

https://communities.intel.com/thread/61432
http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/graphics-drivers/000005526.html

Enjoying your beta drivers eh biggrin.gif There was a drivers bundle for somehing i can't remember which package but it contained a modified driver which is newer than the beta, that should work nice with integrated only systems. I tried it on a Lenovo machine with integrated+dedicated. The problem is the switching between the gpus, resets the machine. The one windows10 auto installs is a generic driver that makes it just "work"
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I've seen the win10 update break more systems then it fixed. For instance:

father's laptop: HP with ATI 4000 series GPU. ATI driver throws a DLL error message whenever the laptop is unplugged. ATI driver does not like switching to low power mode. Unfixable in windows 10, as the bug was never patched.

Father's wife: same deal. Similar aged model with same problem.

Mother's laptop: windows 10 updated, broke during the update, and hosed windows 7 trying to roll back said update. User data was wiped in the process.

Sister's laptop: Same deal

Step fathers laptop: Windows 10 invalidated his license, GPU driver crashes every ~15 minutes.

Grandmother's laptop: windows 10 is incompatible with her network card, windows keeps trying to auto update to 10. She saw the window in this article last night....

Needless to say, I've had it with MS. I've spent hours trying to get these aging machines to run well with win10, to no avail. I've already upgraded the memory in all of these machines and popped SSDs into them, so there is no reason to replace them for another 5 years or so (and even them, I told them all to buy business machines, so spare parts are super easy to come by and install). Since MS keeps trying to update them, I decided to roll some of them onto linux. Did my mother's machine and my stepfathers machine 6 months ago, both working fine ever since. Might be moving my father's laptop to mint this weekend, and grandmother's laptop in a couple weeks. Father's wife wont touch linux yet, and my sister is stubbornly refusing to try GIMP instead of pirated Photoshop for her artwork, but I intend to convert them both eventually.

My own desktop happily dual boots mint and windows, but mint has seen the most use lately. If I can get VT-D working properly, I'll resort windows to a VM and only have Linux installed natively. I'm hoping that more people will leave MS after this whole fiasco, because no matter how good windows 10 is, this behavior on their part is inexcusable. MS should not be making the windows 10 installer worse then malware installers.

What do all those things have in common?
Well, then! I believe we have safely conclude the root of your problems is the fact that all those are laptops!
It is not MS's fault!

Sorry, I couldn't help it! I guess I'm having a rather good morning
Edited by GetToTheChopaa - 6/4/16 at 3:08pm
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Originally Posted by Raven Dizzle View Post

I like how you say "no" as if you're going to discredit me outright. Sorry man, but that's your opinion. I personally still have a few computers running Windows 7 and 8.1, have yet to be forced to upgrade anything.

Besides - Apple has been doing this for years. Yet no one seems to hate them for it. The hypocrisy in the tech community is real.

No I am just providing an alternate reason for hating it. It's not "this can be the only reason for hating it".

I hate Apple, so yeah... coolsmiley.png
Edited by Sir Beregond - 6/4/16 at 9:51am
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Disable windows update service in windows 7. Problem solved.
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For me, it comes down to being a control freak. I want to control what my computer is doing and when it is doing it.

Perhaps it's an old school mentality from the days when I had a computer that barely ran stuff and background tasks significantly impacted my ability to game. Until windows addresses the fact that some people like to be in control, they will be missing a share of the market. Currently staying on windows 7 is the best option. For those of us who share this mentality, being constantly nagged to upgrade is like pouring lemon juice on a paper cut. I guess that's why I wrote a batch file to remove the updates win 7 uses for telemetry.

I truly hope that Microsoft addresses the community that doesn't want to give up control of their operating system. Sadly their 'just take it' mentality doesn't leave a lot of hope. Perhaps this is something they will address as windows 7 or 8 reaches end of life.
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What do all those things have in common?
Well, then! I believe we have safely conclude the root of your problems is the fact that all those are all laptops!
It is not MS's fault!

Sorry, I couldn't help it! I guess I'm having a rather good morning


Yeah a big problem with laptops is the manufacturers make drivers proprietary to even the model or sub model and NEVER update them after they built them. That's on laptop manufacturers.
 
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