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Enterprise is not safe, it's also an adware platform.

Strange, I've been using this malware/adware OS you keep speaking about for several months now and have not had any of the usual malware/adware-like symptoms. In every way it simply operates like every other Windows I have ever used, just faster and with new functionality. On what exactly do you make this ridiculous charge about Win10? The telemetry? Do you call Android Ad-droid or iOS SpyOS in every post you make? How about Ad-intosh? If not then that's pretty hypocritical, though altogether unsurprising from you...
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Enterprise is not safe, it's also an adware platform.

Strange, I've been using this malware/adware OS you keep speaking about for several months now and have not had any of the usual malware/adware-like symptoms. In every way it simply operates like every other Windows I have ever used, just faster and with new functionality. On what exactly do you make this ridiculous charge about Win10? The telemetry? Do you call Android Ad-droid or iOS SpyOS in every post you make? How about Ad-intosh? If not then that's pretty hypocritical, though altogether unsurprising from you...

I don't use any crApple devices and I have a Spy Droid but Googles spying is blocked here. While you may not care about your freedoms you will eventually see that all revolutions eat their own children.

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I don't use any crApple devices and I have a Spy Droid but Googles spying is blocked here. While you may not care about your freedoms you will eventually see that all revolutions eat their own children.

If you aren't using Linux or BSD and typing this then ad hominem is coming for you. Anyone that chooses to use MS software and then have the gall to be worried about privacy, ownership, or control is like a serf claiming rights to a lord's land. You don't have any. You don't own it; and anything made on it is their property at their discretion to claim.

But I'm curious; how is Google's spying blocked on you said device?
     
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If you aren't using Linux or BSD and typing this then ad hominem is coming for you. Anyone that chooses to use MS software and then have the gall to be worried about privacy, ownership, or control is like a serf claiming rights to a lord's land. You don't have any. You don't own it; and anything made on it is their property at their discretion to claim.

But I'm curious; how is Google's spying blocked on you said device?

So we should let them get away with even more down the line? What they can get away with, they'll have a free pass to whatever they are planning down the line. These are your privacy being taken away one by one.
Like the old saying. First they came for someone who spoke out. Then they came for me because there was no one left to speak up for us.

Its because of the passive attitude from consumers that its so widespread now. Like what you mentioned. Google, etc.

The more people that know about this, the better. At least there will be some attention on the issue at hand.
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MS never was a happy medium and has always been aimed for massification because as a for profit company they pursued the volume sales strategy which means they needed as many people as possible to use the software. It's only recently with the smartphone OS UX designs showing up that MS felt like copying elements of that as they viewed that as part of the reason smartphone users like those OSes so much. The lowest common denominator has always been the GUI needing a mouse to do anything crowd. MS catered to that crowd since at least Win95. Its just evolved these days to the touchscreen mindset crowd. Both of those crowds are full 99% by the people who don't care to know anything about how the system works. So there never was a medium of control because from day one the licensing terms of Windows have been that you don't own it; you at best own a license and that license has strict limitations as to what you can do with it.

But they were a happy medium. Before Windows became commonplace with Windows 95 you had DOS, which required a higher learning curve compared to a contemporary Mac with its graphical user interface. The lower cost of entry of having a simpler command line operating system, the very same thing that made it more accessible along with OEM machines, also made it harder for users to get into and thus the Microsoft user base of that time is more knowledgeable than the contemporary Mac user base.

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As for the smartphone that was MS facing the very issue they had monopolized on the desktop market; first come with decent enough product is the winner. MS also incorrectly didn't see a change in the situation from their earlier foray back in the early 2000s and thus were afraid of sinking money in another failed attempt. This turned out to be incorrect and they paid for it. Intel cancelled the Atom as they couldn't compete with ARM and the Atom never could escape the impression of being slow and expensive.

The thing is, Microsoft was already in that market, so it wasn't going to be "another failed attempt" (unless you're talking about something else) if they invested more in it as they had a growing market share in the smartphone market up to 2007, where they reached 42% in the US. It then fell off a cliff in a few years when they failed to adapt with both a slow release schedule and half baked solutions such as Windows Mobile 6.5. And then Windows Phone 7 lacked features vs. the competition and was atrociously ugly. They have been polishing with successive versions, but now it's a bit late.


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I actually agree 100% with you on something that involves Windows! thumb.gif

The world is about to end then. tongue.gif



Wait a minute. It was supposed to have ended back in 2012.

Ah wait, it actually did, that's the year Windows 8 was released.


We're still here, in the Matrix, picking up the pieces of that mess, good to have you on board to give a helping hand with some of it. thumb.gif


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So we should let them get away with even more down the line? What they can get away with, they'll have a free pass to whatever they are planning down the line. These are your privacy being taken away one by one.
Like the old saying. First they came for someone who spoke out. Then they came for me because there was no one left to speak up for us.

Its because of the passive attitude from consumers that its so widespread now. Like what you mentioned. Google, etc.

The more people that know about this, the better. At least there will be some attention on the issue at hand.


From my experience, my opinion is that it's a cultural thing at this point, a lot of people, mainly from the US, speak with a shareholder mentality, some forum members here are actually shareholders in tech companies and others either work or have relatives who work for a multinational, so it's a different kind of position and perspective that they are in and it's thus not surprising.

It's understandable on the one hand, but on the other they forget that they too are consumers and that those decisions that they support will come back full circle and hit them too.
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I don't use any crApple devices and I have a Spy Droid but Googles spying is blocked here. While you may not care about your freedoms you will eventually see that all revolutions eat their own children.

If you aren't using Linux or BSD and typing this then ad hominem is coming for you. Anyone that chooses to use MS software and then have the gall to be worried about privacy, ownership, or control is like a serf claiming rights to a lord's land. You don't have any. You don't own it; and anything made on it is their property at their discretion to claim.

But I'm curious; how is Google's spying blocked on you said device?

Who says I'm not using Linux? I use Mint and a few others. Not interested in BSD and other nix derivatives.

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From my experience, my opinion is that it's a cultural thing at this point, a lot of people, mainly from the US speak with a shareholder mentality, some forum members here are actually shareholders in tech companies and others either work or have relatives who work for a multinational, so it's a different kind of position and perspective that they are in and it's thus not surprising.

It's understandable on the one hand, but on the other they forget that they too are consumers and that those decisions that they support will come back full circle and hit them too.

Revolutions always eat their children and even their creators. Look at how David Bronstein (Trotsky) was treated by the regime he created.

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So we should let them get away with even more down the line? What they can get away with, they'll have a free pass to whatever they are planning down the line. These are your privacy being taken away one by one.
Like the old saying. First they came for someone who spoke out. Then they came for me because there was no one left to speak up for us.

Its because of the passive attitude from consumers that its so widespread now. Like what you mentioned. Google, etc.

The more people that know about this, the better. At least there will be some attention on the issue at hand.

The point I'm making is that while morally we may object to such actions we have really very limited legal recourse since, as I stated earlier, we do not own the software and the licensing terms in general give heavy leeway to MS to do what it wants with the data made or gathered by it's software. This is true of all the commercial/proprietary OSes that exist. MS, Google, Apple, etc all follow this and the scary thing is that MS has been running this way since day one even before the idea of not deriving profits from Windows license sales. Again, the only way consumers can truly force a producer to change their actions is through boycott; whether that be choosing other producers, producing on their own, or simply forgoing the product entirely. Unfortunately, the consumer is not an organized group and thus it rarely will fulfill it's responsibility to the market.

People always will choose convenience over any other consideration first. You wouldn't go make your own utensils for eating? No you'd pay someone else because you have other things you want to do with your time. Its essentially the same issue here. If all else were equal between Windows, OSX, and Linux I can guarantee that 99.9% of people would choose whichever OS they grew up with and/or have spent the most time with OR have to make a living with.
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But they were a happy medium. Before Windows became commonplace with Windows 95 you had DOS, which required a higher learning curve compared to a contemporary Mac with its graphical user interface. The lower cost of entry of having a simpler command line operating system, the very same thing that made it more accessible along with OEM machines, also made it harder for users to get into and thus the Microsoft user base of that time is more knowledgeable than the contemporary Mac user base.
The thing is, Microsoft was already in that market, so it wasn't going to be "another failed attempt" (unless you're talking about something else) if they invested more in it as they had a growing market share in the smartphone market up to 2007, where they reached 42% in the US. It then fell off a cliff in a few years when they failed to adapt with both a slow release schedule and half baked solutions such as Windows Mobile 6.5. And then Windows Phone 7 lacked features vs. the competition and was atrociously ugly. They have been polishing with successive versions, but now it's a bit late.
The world is about to end then. tongue.gif



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Ah wait, it actually did, that's the year Windows 8 was released.


We're still here, in the Matrix, picking up the pieces of that mess, good to have you on board to give a helping hand with some of it. thumb.gif
From my experience, my opinion is that it's a cultural thing at this point, a lot of people, mainly from the US, speak with a shareholder mentality, some forum members here are actually shareholders in tech companies and others either work or have relatives who work for a multinational, so it's a different kind of position and perspective that they are in and it's thus not surprising.

It's understandable on the one hand, but on the other they forget that they too are consumers and that those decisions that they support will come back full circle and hit them too.

With WinDOS they weren't focused on the consumer (at least not as the primary) and so by being cheaper they went for the business market. This was a smart move because once they had people tied to their platform in the business market they knew that this would trickle into the consumer market as a skill requirement or familiarity need. But that is so long ago it is at best a footnote because the situation since 95 has been uninformed mouse drivers as users. There's always going to be users who are smarter than that but they'll never be a large enough majority to have any consequence on MS if ignored. The business users (IE major companies) are the ones with power in MS's view and I think they see their current plan as being at least compatible with those user's needs. Even the telemetry thing wouldn't be a big issue because MS would not want to risk gathering or spying on these users since these users could engage in costly legal battles with them. So, MS could feel no worries spying on us and just segregate or dispose of any data gathered from important clients.

Again, WinMobile was indeed the dominant pre2008 but it was through business and in a strange way it was because businesses just felt familiar with MS and felt there was no other option. WinMobile died as soon as a technical and UX change occurred. WinMobile was the PDA and stylus era and because of that association combined with other factors it never had a chance and WinPhone was too little too late.

As for the shareholder mentality we can all blame that on Ford v Dodge essentially making that a thing.
     
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So today I get into my office from the weekend and my desktop and laptop are on Win10................ NOPE!!!!! Spent some time and got my 7 back on both.
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So today I get into my office from the weekend and my desktop and laptop are on Win10................ NOPE!!!!! Spent some time and got my 7 back on both.

Have you actually tried Win10? Might have been worth it to actually try it before rolling back as it really is the best Windows I have ever personally used. I guess if you are just against it purely because of the way MS forced it on you then that's totally understandable though...
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