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http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

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just like 8 and 8.1 are considered "different" whatever they call the next iteration i hope it is better. if not enterprising people will do the same for W7 and w8.1 that they are currently doing with XP

that Win10 End of Extended Support is for Win10 vanilla.
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What should I do when the version of Windows I'm using reaches its end of support date?

You can either install the latest available update or service pack or you can upgrade to a newer version of Windows. For more information, see What does it mean if my version of Windows is no longer supported?
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Pardon my English. There may be mistakes in grammar/spelling.
Let's look at this in parts:

Drivers: They 99% of the time come from the software/hardware manufacturer, not Microsoft. That other 1% is default generic drives that MS bundles with the OS to give you basic functionality so you can visit the vendors website and get up to date drivers. If there isn't any drivers for your hardware, blame the vendor.

WMC: We live in a DIY world friends. One thing I've learned in IT is there is always a way around thing. You want WMC back on 10? I'll give you 3 sources:
Source 1
Source 2
Source 3

On top of there, there are soooo man GPL/open source software that does things 1000% better that it makes WMC obsolete. Don't blame MS for your inability to change.

Automatic Updates: O...M..G.. Let me educate. There are 4 versions of Windows 10. Home, Pro, Enterprise, and Educations. Windows 10 Home DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNCTIONALITY to modify any update time or schedule. MS has decided to remove this feature because silly non educated uses like to schedule, reschedule, and cancel updates that are important to OS security. You know those service packs, security packs, hotfixes, etc that patch OS flaws? Yea 99% of infected machines belong to uneducated home users. You want to control your updates? Get WIndows 10 pro if your a home user. That allows you to notify to schedule AND defure upgrades. There is also advance options which allow your to modify that further. Enterprise and Education retain the same functionality for updates in 10 as in 7.

I swear, no one ready anything properly any more. We all just role with the hype/whine train and complain the same things that everyone else is without investigating ourself.

Oh and if your talking about all those twitch users who were in the middle of streaming and Windows 10 decided to update, I can bet it my rig it's these reasons below:

Using Windows 10 Home
Using Windows 10 pro with updates set to automatic

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I am fully aware that windows 10 home cant defer updates. THATS THE PROBLEM. windows 7 COULD do that. Taking away that control when every windows 10 update has the chance of breaking something is counter productive. Even if updates were set to automatic, windows 7 would still ask you to restart, not just reboot itself when you were in the middle of something.

And I'm aware that vendors are to blame for drivers. That is not the problem. the problem is MS PUSHING OUT WINDOWS 10 WITHOUT USER CONSENT TO MACHINES THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED. My stepfather's machine cant run windows 10 properly. At all. And he doesnt have hundreds of dollars to drop on a new machine. Which wouldnt be a problem, since windows 7 still has 4 years of security updates, EXCEPT MS UPGRADED HIS MACHINE ANYWAY. If a vendor part doesnt work in win10, then the machine shouldnt upgrade to windows 10, but MS isnt smart enough to figure that out.

What would you, mister MS smarty pants, suggest he do? Buy a new system? Newsflash, not everyone is rich like you, he cant afford to spend $600 on a new system just because MS cant figure out he cant run 10. And he cant just run 7, since MS, in their infinite wisdom, keeps trying to upgrade his system to 10. Blaming the vendor doesnt fix his system. MS's behavior here is quite malicious, and deserves to be raked over the coals for acting like this.

As for WMC, WMC is perfectly functional. And seeing as MS has decided they dont want WMC on windows 10, they shouldnt be forcing people to upgrade until they have a better piece of software available. WMC works fine, there is no reason I should have to hack it onto 10 or move to another piece of software I dont like just because MS decided I should be running 10. And what of other software that doesnt work in windows 10? Are you going to write up a patch for every piece of software that may not work right? Because if not, you cant underplay the issue that this automatic upgrade causes. Not supporting WMC on 10 is fine, forcing people to upgrade when you know their software isnt compatible is not OK.

/throws mic back at you
Edited by GamerusMaximus - 6/3/16 at 8:21am
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XP wasn't too bad.. it wasnt until windows 7 when things started going downhill.

8.1 will be my last OS for a while. Somehow i escaped getting the forced updates from M$. Maybe it's cause im running on an activated too many times 8.1 Pro licence. tongue.gif

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Some people even refuse free Cake, so what are we even discussing ? Win10 users don't lose anything over win7 users stayin where they are or vice versa. Keep it low priority.
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I am fully aware that windows 10 home cant defer updates. THATS THE PROBLEM. windows 7 COULD do that. Taking away that control when every windows 10 update has the chance of breaking something is counter productive. Even if updates were set to automatic, windows 7 would still ask you to restart, not just reboot itself when you were in the middle of something.

Well if you know that Windows 10 Home didn't have that functionality, you might as well have gotten the pro version which does. As I said before, there are ways around things.
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And I'm aware that vendors are to blame for drivers. That is not the problem. the problem is MS PUSHING OUT WINDOWS 10 WITHOUT USER CONSENT TO MACHINES THAT ARE NOT SUPPORTED. My stepfather's machine cant run windows 10 properly. At all. And he doesnt have hundreds of dollars to drop on a new machine. Which wouldnt be a problem, since windows 7 still has 4 years of security updates, EXCEPT MS UPGRADED HIS MACHINE ANYWAY. If a vendor part doesnt work in win10, then the machine shouldnt upgrade to windows 10, but MS isnt smart enough to figure that out.

Let me educate you some more. MS looks at the hardware specification before upgrading. CPU, RAM, Storage, Network Connection. Does the machine meet the minimum requirements for installation? Then it gets the update. Want to see if your installed software is compatible? System Update Readiness Tool. Vendors submit drivers to received MS digital signature. That sig states that MS has tested and verified that said driver is good and will not harm the OS. If a vendor part doesn't work, it's because the vendor driver wasn't signed or the vendor hasn't submitted. Win10 already tries to go out and find compatible drivers for that hardware and if it can't it's the vendors problem not MS. [/quote]
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What would you, mister MS smarty pants, suggest he do? Buy a new system? Newsflash, not everyone is rich like you, he cant afford to spend $600 on a new system just because MS cant figure out he cant run 10. And he cant just run 7, since MS, in their infinite wisdom, keeps trying to upgrade his system to 10. Blaming the vendor doesnt fix his system. MS's behavior here is quite malicious, and deserves to be raked over the coals for acting like this.

I suggest that a technological person like yourself stop blaming and look for potential fixes for your gramps. Want to stop the Windows 10 update and notifications? GWX Control. Also, you have 30 days to revert back SHOULD an upgrade make it through. Going back to Windows 7 or Windows 8.1

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As for WMC, WMC is perfectly functional. And seeing as MS has decided they dont want WMC on windows 10, they shouldnt be forcing people to upgrade until they have a better piece of software available. WMC works fine, there is no reason I should have to hack it onto 10 or move to another piece of software I dont like just because MS decided I should be running 10. And what of other software that doesnt work in windows 10? Are you going to write up a patch for every piece of software that may not work right? Because if not, you cant underplay the issue that this automatic upgrade causes. Not supporting WMC on 10 is fine, forcing people to upgrade when you know their software isnt compatible is not OK.

Again, it's not MS's job to go out to EVERY VENDOR and make sure software is compatible. There are millions of software vendors with TRILLIONS of hardware and drivers. How would you know you don't like software unless your tried it? Don't knock it till you try it. GPL\Open Source software works 1000000% better than WMC and with better functionality AND allows you to customize to your liking. Don't blame MS for your laziness and inability to try new things.
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I don't see a problem with this, but I know I am the minority.. For any Mac users, you should already be used to this, as if you delay long enough on OS X updates, it will eventually force the update, right now. At least Windows gives you the option to pick a time.. And if one is so concerned with not updating, simply pick a day 10 years from now!.

Which is so funny because APPL has been doing this for the better part of 20 years (Maybe 25) and yet we give them a pass. Why is not ok for Microsoft to start forcing people to upgrade?
 
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Well if you know that Windows 10 Home didn't have that functionality, you might as well have gotten the pro version which does. As I said before, there are ways around things.
Let me educate you some more. MS looks at the hardware specification before upgrading. CPU, RAM, Storage, Network Connection. Does the machine meet the minimum requirements for installation? Then it gets the update. Want to see if your installed software is compatible? System Update Readiness Tool. Vendors submit drivers to received MS digital signature. That sig states that MS has tested and verified that said driver is good and will not harm the OS. If a vendor part doesn't work, it's because the vendor driver wasn't signed or the vendor hasn't submitted. Win10 already tries to go out and find compatible drivers for that hardware and if it can't it's the vendors problem not MS.
I suggest that a technological person like yourself stop blaming and look for potential fixes for your gramps. Want to stop the Windows 10 update and notifications? GWX Control. Also, you have 30 days to revert back SHOULD an upgrade make it through. Going back to Windows 7 or Windows 8.1
How would you know you don't like software unless your tried it? Don't knock it till you try it. GPL\Open Source software works 1000000% better than WMC and with better functionality AND allows you to customize to your liking. Don't blame MS for your laziness and inability to try new things.
It is going right over your head that I shouldnt have to do this junk. I should have to worry about MS screwing up a systems 5+ hours away from me, and have to rely on a third party solution to stop MS's stupidity. And considering that microsoft upgrades windows 7 home to windows 10 home, I dont really have a say in the matter of using pro instead, unless I purchase another lisence, which I am not doing because MS decided I should have 10 now.

You also miss the point of "if the vendor doesnt have a driver, windows 10 should not try to install"" My stepfather's machine does not have a driver, yet windows 10 tries to install. If MS is so good at determining that a system is ready or not, why does it try to do that?

And I already fixed the problem by moving him to linux. Same with my mother, and soon my grandmother and father as well. Also moved them away from MS office.

I, as a technological person, already fixed the issue. That does not excuse MS's behavior, nor does it mean we should stop raking them over the coals for acting like a ransomware developer.

As for WMC, I am not lazy. I dont want to replace something if it works. There is nothing wrong with a windows 8.1 system running WMC, it will be getting security updates for another 7 years. The problem is MS being bullish about getting 10 on there. Here's a shining idea, how about, instead of using WMC as an excuse to call me lazy, you admit that MS shouldnt be upgrading systems if they know the software wont work properly? Or, even better, STOP FORCING PEOPLE TO UPGRADE THEIR SYSTEMS.
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Again, it's not MS's job to go out to EVERY VENDOR and make sure software is compatible. There are millions of software vendors with TRILLIONS of hardware and drivers.
If MS is going to force upgrade machines, you bet it becomes their job to check every vendor driver. They insist on this windows 10 push, THEY need to ensure the upgrade works properly. If apple decides to push out an iOS update, they have to test it on every piece of hardware they make, or else they end up bricking their new ipad, and the people who own them grill apple for it's laziness. Same with sony and the playstation. Same if tesla decided to push out a firmware update to the model S. Microsoft needs to deal with this, if they want to push out forced upgrades then THEY need to make sure everything will work first, which they are doing an abysmal job of so far.
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this is not a repost?
tough i seen something about this last week,
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Vista would like a word with you...

That was actually software and hardware companies that were at fault with Vista. Vista was a darn fine operating system but no vendors were writing drivers for that. Windows 8 to Windows 10 have given the bird and written universal drivers for most hardware. So even if the vendors get lazy at least you'll have a basic driver.


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It is going right over your head that I shouldnt have to do this junk. I should have to worry about MS screwing up a systems 5+ hours away from me, and have to rely on a third party solution to stop MS's stupidity. And considering that microsoft upgrades windows 7 home to windows 10 home, I dont really have a say in the matter of using pro instead, unless I purchase another lisence, which I am not doing because MS decided I should have 10 now.

You also miss the point of "if the vendor doesnt have a driver, windows 10 should not try to install"" My stepfather's machine does not have a driver, yet windows 10 tries to install. If MS is so good at determining that a system is ready or not, why does it try to do that?

And I already fixed the problem by moving him to linux. Same with my mother, and soon my grandmother and father as well. Also moved them away from MS office.

I, as a technological person, already fixed the issue. That does not excuse MS's behavior, nor does it mean we should stop raking them over the coals for acting like a ransomware developer.

As for WMC, I am not lazy. I dont want to replace something if it works. There is nothing wrong with a windows 8.1 system running WMC, it will be getting security updates for another 7 years. The problem is MS being bullish about getting 10 on there. Here's a shining idea, how about, instead of using WMC as an excuse to call me lazy, you admit that MS shouldnt be upgrading systems if they know the software wont work properly? Or, even better, STOP FORCING PEOPLE TO UPGRADE THEIR SYSTEMS.
If MS is going to force upgrade machines, you bet it becomes their job to check every vendor driver. They insist on this windows 10 push, THEY need to ensure the upgrade works properly. If apple decides to push out an iOS update, they have to test it on every piece of hardware they make, or else they end up bricking their new ipad, and the people who own them grill apple for it's laziness. Same with sony and the playstation. Same if tesla decided to push out a firmware update to the model S. Microsoft needs to deal with this, if they want to push out forced upgrades then THEY need to make sure everything will work first, which they are doing an abysmal job of so far.

Ohh so that's what this is about. Its about you not wanting to deal with it. Understood.

So it's MS fault that their OS works on literally 100000000000000 different hardware and they have to go out and verify every single one of them works with Windows 10? Or better yet, the smarter idea would be that each vendor makes sure their hardware/software is compatible with Windows 10, submits a signature request, receives, and problem solved. Yup, the hardware for your gramps PC doesn't work on Windows 10 because MS decided to let the vendors decide if their hardware/software works instead of spending BILLIONS doing it themselves and then driving up the cost of licensing which we consumers have to pay.

Free upgrade to Windows 10 is ending July. Weather the storm till then and you won't have to deal with it.

PS You don't own any Windows OS. You purchase the license to use it. EULA states that they can do whatever they want and you can't say jack. Want your voice to be heard, convince billions of people to stop using MS.
Edited by NexusRed - 6/3/16 at 9:16am
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