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No one announcing one for the PC market in near future? redface.gif
Dell? Asus? Monoprice? Samsung?

G-sync and free-sync are cool, but for image quality wise HDR/10bit with full array LEDs is the bomb

One such monitor with low input lag processing is best imho. thumb.gif
    
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Full array backlights are not practical for monitors. They require a certain size of screen (typically 39"+) and the zonal control causes issues with contrasting shades such as dark text on a lighter background (creating 'halos'). So you're unlikely to see any 'HDR monitors' with anything less than full pixel luminance control - so OLED or QLED.
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I dont buy that limitations though. Before the chase for thinner display, old ccfl monitors use backlighting. Edge lighting have its only flaws and limitations, mostly worse than text clouding, that is provided full array will have text clouding at all.

My feel is monitor manufacturers are cheapskate and lazy.

34~40 full array 4k hdr monitors plz..
    
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You'll probably see OLEDs hit the monitor market before LCDs with full-array backlights do.


I'd love to be wrong though. All that with freesync a VA panel and 74hz+ would be pretty sweet.
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Whenever someone posts a thread asking whether a "cutting edge _____ technology with every upcoming feature checked in the little boxes is available, quite often that person is actually asking "I'm a passionate hobbyist of _____s but I'm also a middle class citizen and I'm unable to experience the luxuries that the people in the 90th percentile income bracket get to enjoy. When will enough of those idiots buy into the technology so the price bottom falls out and I can just barely afford said technology because I will truly appreciate the snot out of it (not sarcasm)?" dansi, I cannot attest to the input latency of the following displays (technically the sole differentiating feature between a monitor and a TV is a TV tuner, although I concede that TVs tend to target significantly larger sizes), and they certainly don't feature G-Sync nor FreeSync, but there are several potential candidates that may meet your criteria. Many of LG's UHD OLED displays, of which the 55EG9600 used to be on sale at Amazon for $1,899 would fit the bill. There's also the Sony BVM-X300. Ya got 24,000 quid?

Update: This situation absolutely ties into the reactions spurred by the i7-6950X. For the longest time people were complaining that Intel was artificially limiting the maximum core count of its HEDT CPUs and they kept rallying for higher core counts. The previous generation, the i7 matched AMD's consumer processors in physical core count and also AMD's server processors in logical core count. One generation later, Intel strengthens their lead to ten physical cores and now that the product demanded by the few enthusiasts is finally here, the 6950X is being condemned for it's higher than normal price. If you're gonna complain about the lack of an extremely high end choice, you better have the funds to show you mean business.
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But 55 is too big for monitor use. Gaming is sure good but not others. I dont have 24000 quid to spend, it don't even have hdr. 2400 quid maybe, but i need hdr gaming
    
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I dont buy that limitations though. Before the chase for thinner display, old ccfl monitors use backlighting. Edge lighting have its only flaws and limitations, mostly worse than text clouding, that is provided full array will have text clouding at all.

My feel is monitor manufacturers are cheapskate and lazy.

34~40 full array 4k hdr monitors plz..

CCFL backlights were still controlled as an individual unit and in some arrangements are similar to some WLED clusters used today. This is completely different to full array backlighting. PC monitors will often have to display dark and light shades alongside each other. Unless the backlight is controlled on a per-pixel basis, you will see 'halos' around the brighter shades that flood into the darker shades. Or dim patches with much brighter surroundings in some cases. When you're sitting across the room watching fast-moving content on a TV these limitations aren't really a big deal. You could of course have different operating modes (i.e. disable 'zonal control') for general desktop use and just have it active for movies and games.

But even with this the technology requires the screen to be a certain size (39"+ currently) for the array to actually be at all practical. Some sort of engineering limitation perhaps, not really sure. Significant improvements would have to be made that would end up so costly (if possible at all) that OLED/QLED would be a much more attractive alternative anyway. It's certainly possible that we may see some 40"+ HDR monitors which are LCD, but it's more than likely that HDR monitors will use backlightless technology. And the performance of such solutions is vastly superior anyway, so it's worth waiting for.
Edited by PCM2 - 6/4/16 at 3:11am
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Samsung wants to have QLED ready for consumers in 2019 - that's a lot of waiting left. There might already be the second or third generation of OLED monitors when it hits.
It's a shame about full array size restrictions, I thought it would still be possible at least on something like 32''. sadsmiley.gif
Effects like haloing/blooming and thicker panels are unavoidable anyway, no matter the size. Though there are some TV's with less dimming zones, that also have less blooming, so there is more than just the amount of zones that must be a factor.
Well none of it is a thing with the self-illuminating pixels on OLED. But on OLED there is a peak brightness problem with HDR, the current signature OLED panel by LG requires 4-5 subpixels per pixel (!) and in varying sizes just to reach the 700-800cd/m². A layout like that is fine for TV's but it would have problems displaying text and grid patterns if used as monitors.
Edited by Sedolf - 6/4/16 at 4:46am
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affordable-ish OLED HDR monitors ? 2019 at the earliest maybe

the same but also with 144+ Hz and Gsync and low input lag + low response time (well IIRC OLED has a very low response time already) for gaming ? lol: 2020-2021 ? tongue.gif
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I have Samsung 55f6400 like this one https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN40F6400-40-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00BCGRS6K/ref=sr_1_5?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1466166274&sr=1-5&keywords=samsung+55+f6400

Which is old and not a new tv and when i connect my pc with gtx 770 to this monitor i get an option of color depth 8 , 10 , 12 BPC wich i dont get it normaly in my pc monitor , and no matter what i chose i don't get any difference so does that make my TV output 10 bitcolor ?

And what does the tv must have to be an HDR ? 10 bit color and contrast rate ? and is it available only on OLED ?

what about the 0-255 ? does HDR can go over these value ?

And i like to buy a new pc monitor so do i get one of the new IPS monitor or wait for an OLED PC monitor ?

Too many qustion smile.gif hope someone who have the knowledge to answer me and i will be thankful .
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