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Originally Posted by iLeakStuff View Post

My point was that Nvidia went up in price because they know people will pay that sort of money anyway.
Its sickening that its now $600 instead of $500, but like the nowinstock link I posted show, the cards are going out as fast as hotcakes anyway.
Wasnt very public if it was shown only for a few guys? Doesnt sound like the exposure AMD really need

The 980 TI came out at 650$
The 980 came out at 550$
The 780 came out at 650$
The 1080 mspr (outside of FE) is 600$.
There was no "instead of $500" for at least 4 years now (only the 680 was the last top card to be released at 500$ for nvidia, that is 4 generations).

Also it is not just nvidia who have done it. Where were everyone who are yelling at nvidia, when AMD raised the price of their top end from 380$ for the 6970 to 550$ of the 7970, or 550$ for the 290x, or 650$ for the fury x?

They did not raise the price (except with the FE). Stop saying they did. If you want 1-2 months you can buy them at a reasonable price (considering).
There are sellers in amazing trying to sell the 1080 for 920$ in the US. Is that the real price of the card or just for the people foolish enough to rush and buy them?

To remind you that you are not actually buying the card directly from nvidia. They only set a certain price, and from there the chip goes 2-4 hands before it even reach the site you click "buy" on, and with market hype it might inflate the prices, but it is not nvidia who does it.

Also, the whole price ranges have been going to overall.
CPUs, monitors, TVs, GPUs, cars, simple things even, they have all gone up in price in the last 5-6 years. Some people here are dropping 4000$ on a 4K oled tv, or a 1000$ on a CPU they barely really use, and you talk about 50$ difference in the GPU? That is the problem?

I'm not pro higher prices. I'm all about lowering the prices.
But stating false information is wrong.
The same as cheering for AMD for bringing "cheaper" cards when they increased the price by 44%, but because it was cheaper than nvidia, it is a good price.

BTW, the main price increase was actually AMD if you look at the mspr prices.
When AMD introduced the 7970, they increased their top end price by 44%.
Nvidia actually put out a cheaper card (the 680), which forced AMD to reduce the price.
So you might actually thank AMD for starting those price tag wars.
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Originally Posted by Defoler View Post

BTW, the main price increase was actually AMD if you look at the mspr prices.
When AMD introduced the 7970, they increased their top end price by 44%.
Nvidia actually put out a cheaper card (the 680), which forced AMD to reduce the price.
So you might actually thank AMD for starting those price tag wars.

You rarely hear GCN fanboys bring this up because it undermines their argument.
If you want to see a dynamic form of this RDF, you can join the AMD Discord server. I joined it for the lols, but it started to scare me that people actually behaved/believed in this stuff 100%.

Same goes for people believing Zen will be better than Intel *and* cheaper.
They forget that when AMD ruled the roost (Athlon 64 X2), that the price were exceedingly expensive.
http://techreport.com/review/8295/amd-athlon-64-x2-processors

AMD - if given the chance, will charge $1,000 for CPUs. Let's not forget that this happened before.
Later on the X2 3800+ was introduced, bringing the entry price down to the $350 range (down from $500+), but that was months later.
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The 980 TI came out at 650$
The 980 came out at 550$
The 780 came out at 650$
The 1080 mspr (outside of FE) is 600$.
There was no "instead of $500" for at least 4 years now (only the 680 was the last top card to be released at 500$ for nvidia, that is 4 generations).
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Only that th 550usd from Nvidia was a midrange GPU at high end price wink.gif ,meanwhile AMD kept its pricing for high end during 2 years, Nvidia high end pricing was 30% more expensive. now charges an extra fee for a reference model which was at the same price or lower than aftermarket cards rolleyes:

Now comparing AMD pricing on 2015,Since Nvidia charged 1000usd for a enthusiast GPU (using 2008 memory tech and lower FP64 perf), why AMD wouldnt follow same price hike trend (100% increase From nvidia.), why AMD wouldnt release a 18% more expensive card with the First HBM memory which required 5-7years of R&D with a Aftermarket-like cooling wink.gif
Edited by PontiacGTX - 6/5/16 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by PontiacGTX View Post

Only that th 550usd from Nvidia was a midrange GPU at high end price wink.gif ,meanwhile AMD kept its pricing for high end during 2 years, Nvidia high end pricing was 30% more expensive. now charges an extra fee for a reference model which was at the same price or lower than aftermarket cards:rolleyes:
still, 980 matched Fury X which came out a year later at $650 so you might say it was overpriced but it did deliver good performance.
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still, 980 matched Fury X which came out a year later at $650 so you might say it was overpriced but it did deliver good performance.

When did 980 match Fury X performance???
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still, 980 matched Fury X which came out a year later at $650 so you might say it was overpriced but it did deliver good performance.
R9 Fury non X, R9 nano match and beat GTX 980 even w/o OCing, so a R9 Fury X can match a 980Ti..


Now if you only check games which are Nvidia optimized(which features dont allow any tweaking given the code or the devs being biased just cause)

and This without taking in account the architecture bottleneck from Fiji XT

P.S the R9 280x/290 is that fast or the 780(Ti) is that slow?
Edited by PontiacGTX - 6/5/16 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by Forceman View Post

Two weeks ago when the rumor was Polaris was pushed to October, the same argument was made the other direction. We were all assured that AMD wouldn't say it was on schedule if it was really delayed because they would get sued. So either they are allowed to shade the truth or they aren't. It doesn't only work in the direction you want it to work.

In that case it was a very generic "Polaris remains on track" statement that was taken as proof (even though there was never a schedule given to be on track of), but we are supposed to disbelieve the much more specific "next family to follow in 2017"? They even doubled down by adding that Polaris will "ramp over several quarters" before being followed by the new enthusiast family.

Generally companies are allowed to be cautious. It's being optimistic that can get them into trouble. Launching a product sooner than officially stated would generally be OK unless it fails to match company statements regarding performance. For example AMD could launch Zen tomorrow as long as it met the Computex statement of +40% IPC over Vishera even though AMD has given end of year as their target.

Only official statements on Vega have been HBM2 and that it is considered its own generation of GPU separate from Polaris.
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What even 1080 Ti end up being.

The internal structure of the p100 doesn't make it good for graphics, there's leak of a "gp102" that's 384bit GQDR5 8 and 16gb for 1080ti and Titan-P.

The 100 was laid out for synchronized data processing with other sockets in a 4-way mode and contains those data interconnects as well as the deep parallel memory handler for HBM2 which is about 12x the size of the memory handler you need for GQDR5 ram at 384bit width. All that circuitry would drag down the GPU and be unnecessary components when they can just print a smaller chip for the Titan-P and use 2-bin for ti.

We're going to see a fully Dx12 compatible Volta with HBM2 if we see HBM2 on gpu's at all, HBM was a gambit against Micron getting "GDDR5x" working but was definitely before it's time in graphics output.

The P100 chips in the X-1 cluster are designed to decompose pictures, not make them according to instructions and are precision devices. We may see individual 2nd bin P100s on cards but they'll definitely be Tesla-only hardware.

What we're gonna see in the ti and Titan is the same thing we always have - bugs and errors in the x70 and x80 fixed or worked-around plus a more mature precision in wafer process.

anyway, nuffa that in a thread about fake RX-490 data...
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Because this generation of cards is surrounded by steroid fueled hype. I dont remember the fermi vs evergreen or even the GCN vs kepler days being so hyped....

Yeah, but I'm sure you remember the greenbois being psycho and insisting that the Tesla chip nVidia shows before they release products is gonna crush AMD in desktop graphics and being wrong every damned time.
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$260 for GF114
$500 for GK104
$550 for GM204
$600-700 for GP104.

Who says Nvidia raised the prices for their mid-range chips? Oh... no they didn't ...
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