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Originally Posted by Defoler View Post

Maybe, but I don't know.
HBM2 is supposed to be cheaper than HBM1. At least that is what samsung and hynix are saying, and samsung said they are already mass producing it for at least a few months now.

If GP102 is actually going to be in the 1080ti, and a cut down of GP100, I fully expect it to be HBM2.

I don't expect the 490x to have HBM2. Feels incorrect. I fully expect a 490x to be a bigger polaris 10, and a new fury to be the vega 10. Because even with HBM2, the price of making the card overall is going to be high (bigger core, on die memory, liquid cooling most likely, etc etc), which will be too high in the food chain, leaving too of a big gap and a place for Nvidia to eat up the market again.


This "theory" some (several) idiot(s) spouted several months ago that the Titan and ti would have anything to do with the P100.... We already know that these cards will simply be 384bit versions of the GP104 that is in the 1080 and 1070. Basically just 50% more chip in die. They're not cut-down versions of the P100, it is laid out differently inside for the 4096 bit bus, cache ram, cross-talk connections for working in clusters and several other factors in the circuitry. nVidia has never before made a Tesla with these interconnecting data paths and the buffers they need, its a native component of the P100 and useless in a graphics chip. Additionally nV isn't happy with the total overall performance of even the HBM2 in the P100 assembly - the advantages the HBM2 gives to the DGX-1 are in density and lowered power consumption but it is likely that an 8GB GQDR5 P100 would have had better performance overall. If you noticed carefully by looking at the P100's in the DGX-1 presentation, not all the chips in it are from even the same production run.

nVidia is right to hold off and make the next generation of chip HBM2 or plausibly even run a 384 and 512bit GQDR5 product line for the 2080/2070 cards. There's no real benefit to HBM2 at this time, business-as-usual design and manufacture of high speed ram loaded cards is still maintaining an edge and even has higher throughput than the cards need AND leaves more room and less heat generation on the GPU itself.

This theory that the 100 and consumer graphics have anything in common outside of the same lithography is ludicrous. The P100 chips with 16GB HBM2 on them are expensive as hell http://techreport.com/news/29946/pascal-makes-its-debut-on-nvidia-tesla-p100-hpc-card with a low production yield and consume way too much power to put into a slot on a computer. They're first generation Pascal and designed to only operate in 64bit. They do not have several of the circuit components necessary to even drive a frame buffer...

Additionally... there's a firm indication that AMD has dropped the "X" suffix from their product line. Using it as a name puts your information source about two months behind reality.
Edited by prjindigo - 6/6/16 at 1:28am
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Originally Posted by prjindigo View Post

he didn't read the threa-ead
he didn't read the threa-ead
he didn't read the threa-ead


Titan P is a GQDR5 product with a 384 bit interface. No p100 will ever be in a graphics card.

You didnt read the chiphell title
You didnt read the chiphell title
You didnt read the chiphell title


Its called: lets play the 1080 ti guessing game

How many times must i repeat there is no indication of 384 bits and its all based on a guess game on chip hell

While the titan might come witb 384 bits g5x there is no any confirmation it will and i will wait for more reliable source before i start believing anything
Edited by guttheslayer - 6/6/16 at 3:44am
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If you can get a Case/PSU/SSD/CPU/MB/RAM that gives you 1080p 60fps in many titles at ~$600 the low end is gone. P11 isnt P10, AFAIK its approximately half of it and would fit into an APU nicely. P11 is the size of one Zen quadcore "module", meaning you could strip one module out of 8 core Zen and drop a VERY beefy IGP into it.

There is very little we know how they are going to slate the P11, so I won't count on it being half of P10. It might be maybe a quarter of the performance of the 480, because that P10 is still too power hungry for an APU, even half of it, so P11 isn't going to be any beefy.

We will have to wait and see. There is also too little we know how zen will be. AMD promises are worthless, and only once it is out we will know how it goes.
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This "theory" some (several) idiot(s) spouted several months ago that the Titan and ti would have anything to do with the P100

You are also one of those "theory" and "idiots" you claim are everyone else, who is all but driven by rumours and act like he knows the truth of the universe which are just as rumours as any other.
You have no real information or any real data what will be or is not the GP102, or if it is even the 1080 ti or the new titan or anything and maybe not a smaller tesla card.

Overall, note the word "if". And I will emphasise "IF" that I wrote, because it is a theory. I assumed based on what someone wrote to reply. You should try to use that word sometimes, as you have no information at all about anything really.
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You are also one of those "theory" and "idiots" you claim are everyone else, who is all but driven by rumours and act like he knows the truth of the universe which are just as rumours as any other.
You have no real information or any real data what will be or is not the GP102, or if it is even the 1080 ti or the new titan or anything and maybe not a smaller tesla card.

Overall, note the word "if". And I will emphasise "IF" that I wrote, because it is a theory. I assumed based on what someone wrote to reply. You should try to use that word sometimes, as you have no information at all about anything really.

The guy who calls a person an idiot uses "all but " incorrectly. This is an example of irony.

PM me if you want a lesson on its correct usage.
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....stuff...Additionally nV isn't happy with the total overall performance of even the HBM2 in the P100 assembly - the advantages the HBM2 gives to the DGX-1 are in density and lowered power consumption but it is likely that an 8GB GQDR5 P100 would have had better performance overall....stuff..

Compute uses extreme amount of bandwidth and stating that GDDR5 (and 8GB of it?, lol) would provide more performance is just....wrong.
And "Nvidia isn't happy with the total performance of even the HBM2"? So, it's by mistake there...
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...stuff...If you noticed carefully by looking at the P100's in the DGX-1 presentation, not all the chips in it are from even the same production run....stuff...

What has this got to do with anything? Especially if you are talking about the HBM chips - some of them were either mock-ups or HBM1.
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...stuff...There's no real benefit to HBM2 at this time, business-as-usual design and manufacture of high speed ram loaded cards is still maintaining an edge and even has higher throughput than the cards need AND leaves more room and less heat generation on the GPU itself....stuff...

Wat? You just broke the dreams of all those engineers with projects involved in HBM and Nvidia should prob stay away from it, huh? And I'm just curious...How does it leave more room? More room where?
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Internally at AMD, Vega is slated for Q2 2017, NOT 2016.

Thank you.

CF R9 290 for 10 more month.

At least I won't be cold in the winter.
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another day another videocardz rumor slide appears...
honestly people just dont learn..
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First off, the 680 was priced because it was nvidia's top card. And that is what it cost them until 28nm manufacturing could keep up. Why did AMD priced the 7970 so high comparatively?

Also don't you remember the 295x2? Remember its "best card in the universe" marketing and 1500$ price tag?
Or the fact that fury x was just not worth higher price because it couldn't deliver the performance? If it did, they would definitely price it at 800$ easy. Also it is not just AMD that put the R&D. To remind you that nvidia R&D budget is several times AMDs? AMD are actually cutting their R&D every year, so why keep the higher price tag if they spend less?

You are acting like we should give AMD our money just because they are the underdogs. It doesn't work that way.
manufacturing costs are unknown for any and for a mid range gpu you cant tell how cheap was to produce it,when GF110 was release had a 100% revenue from the card now rebranding a midrange into high end would increase the gains...

GCN was more futureproof than Kepler,had higher performance in compute,more expensive memory system and it required research for a new architecture.

why should I recall the r9 295x2 if it was a true high end gpu with improved cooling meanwhile nvidia offering which was midrange was 1000usd for a dual gpu when evga used to make similar cards for 519usd.and. the true high end dual gpu (GTX Titan Z) was 328% more expensive than the latest high end dual gpu(GTX 590),and if you compare the 295x2 or r9 390x2 both perform better for a consumer/professional use while being 50% cheaper with a better architecture overall.

Why do you expect that a gpu with bottlenecked in raster/rasterizers RBe,triangle throughtput,and Less vram,in overall with bottlenecks, beats a card with new architecture?.AMD simply was showing how HBM is implemented in video card,showing the advantages reducing power consumption by 80w with 45% more SP and no architecture change,with a small form factor,also the price was hugher because there has to be a revenue to the research of the memory tech which will be used later
Edited by PontiacGTX - 6/6/16 at 7:02am
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The guy who calls a person an idiot uses "all but " incorrectly. This is an example of irony.

PM me if you want a lesson on its correct usage.

Do you want me to ask you to PM me for lessons on reading comprehension for dummies? You could use some.
Regardless of grammar, you are trolling on the wrong bridge. But I shouldn't expect better from you smile.gif
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