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I have never realy understood why nVidia's bioses are so locked, i mean why limit themselves to some semi arbitary power limit and mV value?
Less dead cards = less RMA = less money lost on dealing with people killing their GPU chips = more money for Nvidia.
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Gtx 470 overclocked from 600 to 700+ and gtx 460 could easily go from 600 to 800 Mhz from what i remember, 260 also had some overclocking potential from what i remember.

I had my 460gtx at 911Mhz for the longest time. It was a good chip.

My R9 285 hits about a 15% OC with +20% power limit.

I think NVidia put out a safe clock speed on the 9 generation, but in this generation they clocked it much higher stock, possibly to make up for lack of ASYNC. It may not overclock "well", but it still performs nice out of the box.
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I have never realy understood why nVidia's bioses are so locked, i mean why limit themselves to some semi arbitary power limit and mV value?

Not sure if serious question...

Do you know what these symbols mean? 2cents.gif $$$$$$$$$$$


They want consumers to buy a new card every year so they limit the overclocking potential.
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Not sure if serious question...

Do you know what these symbols mean? 2cents.gif $$$$$$$$$$$


They want consumers to buy a new card every year so they limit the overclocking potential.
Or they got tired of RMAs and bad reputation from people frying their fermi cards trying to overvolt them. RMAing a overvolted GPU was pretty common in the PC enthusiast circles I was in back then. Nvidia put a stop to that, so now if you do that, you're SOL.

You'd get your card, OC the snot out of it, figure out how far you could push it until it broke, then RMA it, some people did this 2 or 3 times a year with things like GTX 580s.

Nvidia probably got a lot of flak from it's AIBs over that, and the costs of constantly replacing warrantied GPUs. Hence, the voltage lock.
Edited by GamerusMaximus - 6/6/16 at 9:19am
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Less dead cards = less RMA = less money lost on dealing with people killing their GPU chips = more money for Nvidia.

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I had my 460gtx at 911Mhz for the longest time. It was a good chip.

My R9 285 hits about a 15% OC with +20% power limit.

I think NVidia put out a safe clock speed on the 9 generation, but in this generation they clocked it much higher stock, possibly to make up for lack of ASYNC. It may not overclock "well", but it still performs nice out of the box.

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Or they got tired of RMAs and bad reputation from people frying their fermi cards trying to overvolt them. RMAing a overvolted GPU was pretty common in the PC enthusiast circles I was in back then. Nvidia put a stop to that, so now if you do that, you're SOL.

You'd get your card, OC the snot out of it, figure out how far you could push it until it broke, then RMA it, some people did this 2 or 3 times a year with things like GTX 580s.

Nvidia probably got a lot of flak from it's AIBs over that, and the costs of constantly replacing warrantied GPUs. Hence, the voltage lock.


LOL are you guys serious? I can't tell. The vbios is NOT locked at all. Never has been. It's no different than flashing your motherboard. Nvidia users have been using custom bios for a long time. Since the gtx280? How do you think we set all the world records? LOL

I had a 980 that had two different bios. Thank God it didn't say Uber mode. I would never buy a gpu from a company that made up stupid #%^t like that. You guys should spend more time in the nvidia sub-section.


Oh look it's 588 pages long.
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Nvidia GTX 900 cards custom bios
http://www.overclock.net/t/1573308/nvidia-gtx-900-cards-custom-bios-upon-request
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Less dead cards = less RMA = less money lost on dealing with people killing their GPU chips = more money for Nvidia.

How many people are actually frying their own GPU and getting RMA?
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LOL are you guys serious? I can't tell. The vbios is NOT locked at all. Never has been. It's no different than flashing your motherboard. Nvidia users have been using custom bios for a long time. Since the gtx280?

I had a 980 that had two different bios. Thank God it didn't say Uber mode. I would never buy a gpu from a company that made up stupid #%^t like that. You guys should spend more time in the nvidia sub-section.


Oh look it's 588 pages long.

http://www.overclock.net/t/1573308/nvidia-gtx-900-cards-custom-bios-upon-request

The restriction is not on locking down the flashing of vBIOS, it is locking down how much voltage you can feed your card. this was not locked down on fermi, and overvolting cards and killing them, with no evidence of such, was a big killer of fermi chips back in the day.

You can, of course, flash a different vBIOS to push more voltage. If you brick the card and RMA it, the AIB can tell you to go pound sand. nvidia is no longer responsible from refunding the AIB for a new GPU. Now, obviously, this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, but locking down the stock vbios voltage wise helped cut down on a LOT of RMAs compared to the 500 series. AIBs take on the risk of replacing RMAd GPUs that have had the voltage raised outside of factory specs, not nvidia itself.

So, to TLDR: locking the vBIOS DOES NOT MEAN you cant reflash it, it means nvidia limits what voltages are allowed on the stock vBIOS, and AIBs take any costs related to replacing a GPU is they decide to accept a RMA'd GPU that has had the voltage raised outside of what nvidia allows. Make sense to you?
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How many people are actually frying their own GPU and getting RMA?

Not many today, quite a few in the fermi days. Hence why the voltage locks are now a thing.
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and maybe you should learn reading comprehension. The restriction is not on locking down the flashing of vBIOS, it is locking down how much voltage you can feed your card. this was not locked down on fermi, and overvolting cards and killing them, with no evidence of such, was a big killer of fermi chips back in the day.

Now, if you flash a new vbios and push higher power limits/voltagesand brick your card, the AIB can tell you to go pound sand. nvidia is no longer responsible from refunding the AIB for a new GPU. Now, obviously, this varies from manufacturer to manufacturer, but locking down the stock vbios voltage wise helped cut down on a LOT of RMAs compared to the 500 series. AIBs take on the risk of replacing RMAd GPUs that have had the voltage raised outside of factory specs, not nvidia itself.

So, to TLDR: locking the vBIOS DOES NOT MEAN you cant reflash it, it means nvidia limits what voltages are allowed on the stock vBIOS, and AIBs take any costs related to replacing a GPU is they decide to accept a RMA'd GPU that has had the voltage raised outside of what nvidia allows. Make sense to you?

Did you own fermi? Apparently not, as you have no idea what your talking about none at all.
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The vast majority of people buying those cards, even most of the custom board ones, won't O/C them or not try for "a record".
Its a new process, new-ish architecture. Its a "tick", if there ever was one. Obsessing about % o/c potential is the same as sticking with a 2500K because "nothing % clocks like it"...

We still get a card that does more than what the previous gen card did out of the box, consuming far less power and eventually costing far less money new. Its a win-win.
If nVidia needed to push the clocks closer to the limits to achieve that with this generation of cards, makes little difference to the end result and the VAST majority of the end-users, including most enthusiasts. So stop nit-picking ad nauseam.
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