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So i got me a EE-ATX motherboard from Supermicro, and naturally, it didnt fit. I drilled some holes, cut some aluminum, made it work, but it looks terrible. So now im in the process of building my own back, naturally with a few modifications.
Im going to have it done with Emachine Shop.

THe back is done exceptfor one more detail.

Im not sure the PCI braket will fit the design, well not 100% sure, as i have downloaded an Autocad PCI bracket from internet, and used it in my build.

THe thing is these brackets are hold into place with 6/32 screws. These screws screw in some sort of channel. Cause the aluminum itself is not thick enough to allow for a proper thread formation.


1)General View from the inside. The platform will hold some cable splitters that will bind the fans together.


2)Closeup and another angle.


3)Here are the PCI brackets i got from internet. I havent been able to find some standard PCI bracket specs, as it seems there are a ton of different models out there.


4)Backview. The design is a little rough (bigger than the back itself), but it gets maximal flow, and supports the dustfilter, as youll see below.


5)The inner brown holder, holds the fans in the mainframe, and on it, comes the dust filter. Then the second brown holder getsscrewedto the first, essentially traping the Dustfilter in the middle. This way the Dust filter can be used for pull push fans, it wont fall. I will Caselabs had a similar design to hold dustfilters, becauese the fall when im taking the case out of its dock. This trapping design would have solved the problem.


6)Here you can see the fans. These are mounted on the outside, to allow for extra wide graphics cards. Additially, instead of 1x120 and 4x40 fans, i get 1x120, 4x60, 1x40 fans.


7)Here is the back plain and simple, as CaseLabs would have build it. Notice the IO Shield of the motherboard is a bit slower than normal motherboards, thus allowing for 8 slots instead of 10. On top of IO Shield theres an opening for routing wiring.


8)Here are the PCI Bracket mounting holes i was talking about. Somehow Caselabs managed to mount something that extends thread, so that one can properly screw the screw. I was intending to do this whole part with 3mm thick aluminun, but the thickness doesnt allow for proper mounting of the PCI brackets, because of the bend radius of the thicker aluminum sheet. So i dropped to 1.578mm alu for this parts, thickness that, on the other hand, doesnt allow proper screwing of the 6/32 screws.

Edited by Bytales - 6/5/16 at 3:08pm
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Here are the questions I have.

1)Can CaseLabs please tell me how did they solve the Screwing issue through the thin Alu part ? I see they have mounted some sort of thread extender. Perhaps i can mount these myself.

2)Could you tell me the specs of the PCI bracket you make, to see if i designed everztying correctly ? I dont want to find out once i get the parts that the mounting holes wont fit. I was pretty of with the design i made, untill i found the PCI Bracket design on internet. THe thing is there are a ton of different brackets out there and not all of them are the same, it doesnt seem to exist a fixed standard.

If i could have the official CaseLabs PCI bracket specs, to adapt my design accordingly.
Perhaps i can solve the issue using a M3screw with a nut, but i dont think it will fit.

3)Caselabs designed the part where the PCI braket holding screws screw in with a hole. You can see i have skipped these holes in the last build (there is only the screw opening) To these holes have any purpose ? If not, i wont be making them, as it creates a stronger part without the holes.
post #3 of 24
This is definitely more Jim's territory, but Supermicro boards are known to be proprietary and very hard to put in cases designed for conventional form factors.

As such, I hope this doesn't dissuade you from your goal and you show us your results when done. Hopefully Jim can pop in and elaborate more on this for you.
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The threaded inserts are PEM stand-offs they are widely used in sheetmetal parts.

While we don't furnish CAD files, the PCI cover plates are pretty standard. In fact, we modeled ours from existing parts with slight modifications to allow for our tooling. If you have one of our cases, you should have the plates and can take whatever dimensions you need from them.

With respect to SuperMicro, yes they are extraordinarily difficult to work with. We have a project for the Navy and went round and round and round with them... Just trying to get some basic dimensions took considerable pressure to get it.
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CaseLabs receives numerous Defense Dept contracts and there is no more time to produce glorious computer cases for little schmoes like us. sad-smiley-002.gif

I better order those S8S specific white panels quickly while the enthusiast branch of Caselabs Corporate and Defense Strategic Tech Initiative Inc. still exists.

edit: almost forgot the grinning face so you know I'm only joking around.

At least I hope I'm only joking around, tell me it can't happen.

"My God man, I'm a doctor, not a torpedo technician."


Bones McCoy quote. biggrin.gif


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Are you guys going to stop producing cases for computer people ? I mean, i do have my STH10 and i would say all the parts i would need, but i wouldnt want to see caselabs go away.
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The threaded inserts are PEM stand-offs they are widely used in sheetmetal parts.

Exactly what i needed to know.

Which one do you use in your designs ? There are so many and different ones !

I believe the "Thin Sheet, Thru-Hole – Types TSO, TSOA, TSOS, TSO4" would fit the purpose.

How are these being mounted ? Can i mount them myself in a round hole, or do they need to be somehow bolted down (heat perhaps)

How can I get my hands on some ? Does anyone sell them in small quantities ?

Later Edit, Regarding Mounting:
Do I need special equipment to install self-clinching fasteners?
No. Self-clinching fasteners are installed using any type of parallel acting press which will squeeze the fastener in place.

THat seems like a special equipment to me, care to shade any light on this one ?
Edited by Bytales - 6/7/16 at 2:00pm
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Are you guys going to stop producing cases for computer people ? I mean, i do have my STH10 and i would say all the parts i would need, but i wouldnt want to see caselabs go away.
Exactly what i needed to know.

Which one do you use in your designs ? There are so many and different ones !

I believe the "Thin Sheet, Thru-Hole – Types TSO, TSOA, TSOS, TSO4" would fit the purpose.

How are these being mounted ? Can i mount them myself in a round hole, or do they need to be somehow bolted down (heat perhaps)

Well, we will find out tonight, if we get a new president, oh my the defense contracts will roll out like donuts at Krispy Kreme.

I just hope CaseLabs still makes cases for us and not strictly submarine parts. smile.gif
     
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Also the case part that has this standoffs inserted is done through bending. Do you yourself have a bending machine, or do you have your parts done somehwere else ?

I believe the Pem Standoffs need to be inserted first, then the part needs to be bended, am I correct ?
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Is there a way i can get a press for pressing the stuff at home, or does one need the big presses i saw in youtube videos ?
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Are you guys going to stop producing cases for computer people ? I mean, i do have my STH10 and i would say all the parts i would need, but i wouldnt want to see caselabs go away.

Not sure where that is coming from, but no plans to stop making cases for the enthusiast market.
Exactly what i needed to know.
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Which one do you use in your designs ? There are so many and different ones !

I believe the "Thin Sheet, Thru-Hole – Types TSO, TSOA, TSOS, TSO4" would fit the purpose.

We use SO-632-6 standoffs
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How are these being mounted ? Can i mount them myself in a round hole, or do they need to be somehow bolted down (heat perhaps)

We use special hardware insertion presses. You need steady pressure. A vice might work, but a hammer won't. The material won't "flow" intro the grooves properly.
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How can I get my hands on some ? Does anyone sell them in small quantities ?

McMaster has some. They are a little longer, but will work.

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I believe the Pem Standoffs need to be inserted first, then the part needs to be bended, am I correct ?

Other way around, Form then insert.
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