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I'm not understanding the disappointment with Pascal. What am I missing?

Waitng4realGPU only pushes AMD, nothing nVidia ever does will meet his approval. Vega has good points.

On the other hand, the cards have been out long enough now that actual users are reporting their results, and those appear to be pretty positive.
Edited by GnarlyCharlie - 6/7/16 at 7:42am
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post #52 of 95
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Originally Posted by GnarlyCharlie View Post

Waitng4realGPU only pushes AMD, nothing nVidia ever does will meet his approval. Vega has good points.

On the other hand, the cards have been out long enough now that actual users are reporting their results, and those appear to be pretty positive.

No I was expecting the custom variants of the 1080 to OC well, and sadly they have disappointed me as much as the fury overclocking.

They are gaining about 10% above the stock boost levels. The days of good overclocking seem gone, and that is probably the case from both Nvidia and AMD.

In the 1080 reviews or owners thread there's an owner of a custom 1080 that throttles above 2100mhz if that is not poor then I'm not sure what is.

If it was AMD it would be shunned as a failed product (for enthusiasts*). I try to be objective.

Being an enthusiast has gotten boring with no competition from AMD and the way Intel and Nvidia are going. (yet to see what AMD does with Zen+Polaris as far as overclocking is concerned)

I run whatever hardware is good value and performance and am not completely pro AMD even though I do want them to succeed for my own benefit as an enthusiast.

Currently running an intel K cpu with an AMD GPU.

The Maxwell card you own may be the last you see of the companies giving a good amount of OC headroom so enjoy it while it lasts.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/7/16 at 8:22am
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No I was expecting the custom variants of the 1080 to OC well, and sadly they have disappointed me as much as the fury overclocking.

They are gaining about 10% above the stock boost levels. The days of good overclocking seem gone, and that is probably the case from both Nvidia and AMD.

In the 1080 reviews or owners thread there's an owner of a custom 1080 that throttles above 2100mhz if that is not poor then I'm not sure what is.

If it was AMD it would be shunned as a failed product (for enthusiasts*). I try to be objective.

Being an enthusiast has gotten boring with no competition from AMD and the way Intel and Nvidia are going. (yet to see what AMD does with Zen+Polaris as far as overclocking is concerned)

I run whatever hardware is good value and performance and am not completely pro AMD even though I do want them to succeed for my own benefit as an enthusiast.

Currently running an intel K cpu with an AMD GPU.

The Maxwell card you own may be the last you see of the companies giving a good amount of OC headroom so enjoy it while it lasts.

I was referring to SLI performance, as per the title of the thread. It appears to be pretty good.

Even with the overclocking headroom the Pascal cards currently have, they are performing pretty well against the better OCing Maxwell cards. The 1080, I think you will concede, is quite a bit faster than the 980 it replaced as well as usually besting the next step up 980Ti. So maybe you are disappointed, but I bet 980 owners will enjoy the boost, as well as somebody coming from a Kepler card.
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1080 completely destroys previous generation cards in ways I haven't seen in a long time, and it's not even the Ti version.

Not really. Once you take into account how most of the benchmarks out there chose to compare the cards compared to how we all run them the difference is not very big. For instance, Showing the Titan X, run at a speed of 1075MHz, to a GTX 1080, run at 1900MHz. Does anyone run a TitanX at 1075? No. They run it at 1500MHz on average. So increase those TitanX scores by 40%, and increase 1080 scores by 10%. Now the comparison is pretty close in real world situations. Reviewers wont show you that since Nvidia wont give them anymore free cards if they did.
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I was referring to SLI performance, as per the title of the thread. It appears to be pretty good.

Even with the overclocking headroom the Pascal cards currently have, they are performing pretty well against the better OCing Maxwell cards. The 1080, I think you will concede, is quite a bit faster than the 980 it replaced as well as usually besting the next step up 980Ti. So maybe you are disappointed, but I bet 980 owners will enjoy the boost, as well as somebody coming from a Kepler card.

Yeah I went OT for sure, sli performance looks good, for a high end rig these are the only cards to get at the moment bar none. That new bridge seems to do some wonders too in some of the benches I've seen on frame variance, although iirc it's only at high resolutions and multi-display. I don't see a problem with dropping a bit of support for multi-gpu setups as they seem to scale terribly anyway.

For people on lower cards no doubt it's a good upgrade, a bit of a pity about the price but that is high end I guess.
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Not really. Once you take into account how most of the benchmarks out there chose to compare the cards compared to how we all run them the difference is not very big. For instance, Showing the Titan X, run at a speed of 1075MHz, to a GTX 1080, run at 1900MHz. Does anyone run a TitanX at 1075? No. They run it at 1500MHz on average. So increase those TitanX scores by 40%, and increase 1080 scores by 10%. Now the comparison is pretty close in real world situations. Reviewers wont show you that since Nvidia wont give them anymore free cards if they did.

Just because people state 1500mhz on their cards for benches and such, doesn't mean they are 100% game stable, I'd assume most would run them at 1400-1450mhz for 24/7 use.

But yes they are closer than most reviews would have people think.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/7/16 at 8:47am
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Not really. Once you take into account how most of the benchmarks out there chose to compare the cards compared to how we all run them the difference is not very big. For instance, Showing the Titan X, run at a speed of 1075MHz, to a GTX 1080, run at 1900MHz. Does anyone run a TitanX at 1075? No. They run it at 1500MHz on average. So increase those TitanX scores by 40%, and increase 1080 scores by 10%. Now the comparison is pretty close in real world situations. Reviewers wont show you that since Nvidia wont give them anymore free cards if they did.

There are no TitanX cards in the Firestrike Ultra 2X Top 10 any more. Those guys were undoubtedly OCd, and the 980Tis remaining were likely not cooled by air or water. A 1080 SLI just blew past all comers in the SLI Heaven scores here. So yeah, they are a cut down chip that doesn't OC very well, but they are still putting up some numbers.
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No I was expecting the custom variants of the 1080 to OC well, and sadly they have disappointed me as much as the fury overclocking.

They are gaining about 10% above the stock boost levels. The days of good overclocking seem gone, and that is probably the case from both Nvidia and AMD.

In the 1080 reviews or owners thread there's an owner of a custom 1080 that throttles above 2100mhz if that is not poor then I'm not sure what is.

If it was AMD it would be shunned as a failed product (for enthusiasts*). I try to be objective.

Being an enthusiast has gotten boring with no competition from AMD and the way Intel and Nvidia are going. (yet to see what AMD does with Zen+Polaris as far as overclocking is concerned)

I run whatever hardware is good value and performance and am not completely pro AMD even though I do want them to succeed for my own benefit as an enthusiast.

Currently running an intel K cpu with an AMD GPU.

The Maxwell card you own may be the last you see of the companies giving a good amount of OC headroom so enjoy it while it lasts.

1733 boost clock, 2100mhz overclock.

2100 - 1733/ 1733 = 21.2% overclock.

The performance isn't scaling with the frequency as well as it did with Maxwell, but the chip overclocks just fine.

In every way, scaling, gross overclock. performance over last generation, pascal is entirely similar to every other architecture release from Nvidia and AMD.
Edited by mothergoose729 - 6/7/16 at 9:54am
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Depends on how they define performance...

Maybe they're referring to frame consistency and latency a bit more.

TBH, I probably care more about the sd(frame rendering time) more than I do the mean(frame rendering time).
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