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Gsync actually addresses the very issues of CFX and SLI. Have you tried Gsync ?
Gsync only works with SLI. CFX users need FreeSync. Both techs provide similar results
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Im a little late to the party.
Do the new nvidia drivers show any improved SLI scaling( which Nvidia promised) with that new fancy pascal bridge?
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There is a guy on youtube who has been doing some videos with 1080 sli and different games. He is using two regular flexible on his setup because with one bridge he was not getting full utilization of the second card. I can't remember which game video it was but he had 99% on the first card and 70% on the second card until he added the second bridge, then he had 98-99% utilization on both cards. Does this sound like unusual behavior to anyone?

https://www.youtube.com/user/DudeRandom84/videos
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I don't see the reason for the disappointment. The 1080 is considerably smaller (die size), has less cuda cores, less transistors, lower memory bandwidth, consumes considerably less power and yet manages to be faster than the 980ti and Titan. If anything the 1080 shows how poor of an improvement the 980ti was over the 980.

768 more cuda cores, 48 more texture units, 32 more ROP's, 128bit wider memory bus, 2.8b more transistors and 85 more watts than the 980. All of that and not as much of an improvement over the 980 as the 1080 is, even though all of those numbers trump the 1080 as well.

The 1080 is not a great upgrade for 980ti and Titan, that doesn't mean the 1080 is disappointing. If the 1080ti is not a good upgrade for the 980ti then we have reason be disappointed.

Price. Smaller die size should mean lower price.

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http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/2471-mirrors-edge-catalyst-graphics-card-benchmark-gtx-1080-1070-390x

The Fury X and GTX 970 refused to run with any stability – we think that's a VRAM limitation – and so the chart only shows the 390X, 1080, 980 Ti, and 1070. All of these cards have 8GB of VRAM, except the 980 Ti and its 6GB.

Umm,what do you expect when they turned off the ingame VRAM limiter.....FORCING the card to try and use more VRAM than it has. DUH!
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Picking and choosing you games doesnt make it true.

Look at the lates guru3d review of the 1080. On almost every game tested, the 980 ti is leading the fury x, sometimes by a large margine in both 1440p and 4k.

And as the fury was advertised as a titan killer, shows alot.

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Where have you not?
Just look at review numbers. In most dx11 games, the 980 ti dominate pretty easily.
I think you need to read those reviews again,and ignore the low resolution results,they are irrelevant for the most part.

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Gsync actually addresses the very issues of CFX and SLI. Have you tried Gsync ?
Gsync only works with SLI. CFX users need FreeSync. Both techs provide similar results

Funny how reviewers disable features in the driver that prevents these problems then run tests to show the problem. kookoo.gif
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Price. Smaller die size should mean lower price.

Should doesn't mean they would, as always Nvidia is financially justified to charge whatever they can get away with because they beat AMD to the punch with their next Gen card AGAIN. Upset about the price? You got nothing but AMD's incompetence to blame. Nvidia is not responsible to you with regard to price, but to its shareholders rolleyes.gif

If Vega is what AMD fanboys think it is, those 1080 price ( 780 price dropped once 290/290Xs showed up) will come down but for now Nvidia is entitled to profit on their performance lead.
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Price. Smaller die size should mean lower price.

Should doesn't mean they would, as always Nvidia is financially justified to charge whatever they can get away with because they beat AMD to the punch with their next Gen card AGAIN. Upset about the price? You got nothing but AMD's incompetence to blame. Nvidia is not responsible to you with regard to price, but to its shareholders rolleyes.gif

If Vega is what AMD fanboys think it is, those 1080 price ( 780 price dropped once 290/290Xs showed up) will come down but for now Nvidia is entitled to profit on their performance lead.
You're absolutely correct. But your post won't stop people from producing another 20+ pages of complaints about pricing. It's just how OCN rolls. Between the self-entitled millennials and the astroturfers, there's nothing one can do to keep the news sub-forum relatively sane.
    
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I'm not understanding the disappointment with Pascal. What am I missing?

1080 completely destroys previous generation cards in ways I haven't seen in a long time, and it's not even the Ti version. At 1440p and even 4k it absolutely CHOMPS up those frames.
Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)

If people's disappointment is with the pricing, then I totally understand - but the pricing situation is purely because AMD hasn't stepped up (yet), and for no other reason.

From a pure graphics horsepower perspective this architecture is crazy powerful, and 1080 Ti is going to be even crazier.



It's only about 25-30% faster. Considering this is 1.5 die shrinks worth of (16/20nm hybrid process), that is actually quite underwhelming performance wise. You always have to consider the context. I was more impressed with Maxwell because we were looking at 35% more performance per mm^2 on the same node. I have been expecting more - perhaps a >35% leap over the prior generation. Yes this is a midranged die, but in terms of performance over the last generation, this does come short.

The other issues such as the dishonest marketing around the "cool as a cucumber" when this GPU throttles on the stock blower also get to me. Finally, the charging of a premium for the Founder's edition alienates my support for Nvidia as well.

As it stands, it cannot run 4k on maximum settings on the most demanding of games at an acceptable frame rate. We may be approaching that with the 1080Ti and the Vega 10, but I suspect that true playability at 4k may have to wait for Navi and Volta.

I'll note as well that these GPUs will not age well. They have no hardware scheduler and therefore no async ability. What that means is that when Volta comes out, they will follow the same trajectory compared to AMD cards that Kepler followed after Maxwell came out, which is a decline in competitiveness, while the AMD GCN GPUs will age better.

Sigh ... it seems like both AMD and Nvidia have disappointments to me. The Fury X was AMD's disappointment - 45% more shader, but only perhaps 25% more performance.

Making things more complex is how DX12 handles multi-GPU setups. I bet many developers may simply not implement support.



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I'd spend the extra $300 for the 1080 over the two 480s in XFire because XFire and SLI have been the most miserable experiences of my PC gaming life. They both are a complete headache to use. I don't have enough time in my life to troubleshoot why dual GPUs aren't working in the game I'm playing. I have more important things to do, and when I want to relax, I just want to be able to fire something up and have some fun.

Dual RX 480s over a single card solution is in my personal opinion just stupid. And I laugh when AMD and Nvidia market their cards in a way that dual GPUs are god's gift to mankind. Because it just sucks to use. Ughh I could rant forever on this topic.

It is better to wait and see what Vega and the large Pascal bring to the table. It's probable that the large Pascal, if the 3840 SP rumors are true, will be perhaps 40% faster. Vega is an unknown as it may be a new architecture (or a major revision on top of Polaris and GCN). Then get the custom PCBs, because it's likely the stock blower will throttle, unless of course they release a CLC.

Agree though that the dual GPU setups are often asking for problems. There are just too many driver issues. You will spend more time as an IT support guy than a guy enjoying games in many titles. No, by the way, that isn't hyperbole.


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Should doesn't mean they would, as always Nvidia is financially justified to charge whatever they can get away with because they beat AMD to the punch with their next Gen card AGAIN. Upset about the price? You got nothing but AMD's incompetence to blame. Nvidia is not responsible to you with regard to price, but to its shareholders rolleyes.gif

If Vega is what AMD fanboys think it is, those 1080 price ( 780 price dropped once 290/290Xs showed up) will come down but for now Nvidia is entitled to profit on their performance lead.

Disagree.

With 80% Nvidia marketshare, it is a monopoly like Intel in x86 CPUs. They can get away with it because they are a monopoly. Same with Intel. Do you really think that the 5930K would be so expensive if AMD had a competitive offering?

At this point, I'd support anti-trust actions against both companies. Consumers and innovation tend to win when there are multiple companies vying for supremacy, not when we have a monopoly or a cartel.


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Depends on how they define performance...

Maybe they're referring to frame consistency and latency a bit more.

TBH, I probably care more about the sd(frame rendering time) more than I do the mean(frame rendering time.

+1 Rep.

This is the part that strong affects playability. Standard deviation or frame time variance (which is STD^2). I assume that by mean, you are referring to frame rate.

I am hoping that in the future, a stronger emphasis on split frame rendering can help.
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With 80% Nvidia marketshare, it is a monopoly like Intel in x86 CPUs. They can get away with it because they are a monopoly. Same with Intel. Do you really think that the 5930K would be so expensive if AMD had a competitive offering?

At this point, I'd support anti-trust actions against both companies. Consumers and innovation tend to win when there are multiple companies vying for supremacy, not when we have a monopoly or a cartel.

They get away with higher price because they have & had better product than competition(which established their monopolistic marketshare). As you said they already have very high% market share(which is another way to say it would be hard/hardly profitable for them to gain more market share), the only way to get more profit (thereby satisfying their shareholders) is to raise price when they can.

You might have a anti-trust case if Nvidia sold 1080 at below cost and drove AMD's market share down to single digits, as is your case holds no water as Nvidia is fully justified in charging any price above BOM for their cards that satisfies their shareholders(not you rolleyes.gif ).

AMD can help the consumer by coming out with another 4870 or 290 or Athlon instead going to court and waste whatever limited funds they borrowed from VCs for a verdict in 4-5 years.
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Should doesn't mean they would, as always Nvidia is financially justified to charge whatever they can get away with because they beat AMD to the punch with their next Gen card AGAIN. Upset about the price? You got nothing but AMD's incompetence to blame. Nvidia is not responsible to you with regard to price, but to its shareholders rolleyes.gif

If Vega is what AMD fanboys think it is, those 1080 price ( 780 price dropped once 290/290Xs showed up) will come down but for now Nvidia is entitled to profit on their performance lead.

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You're absolutely correct. But your post won't stop people from producing another 20+ pages of complaints about pricing. It's just how OCN rolls. Between the self-entitled millennials and the astroturfers, there's nothing one can do to keep the news sub-forum relatively sane.

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They get away with higher price because they have & had better product than competition(which established their monopolistic marketshare). As you said they already have very high% market share(which is another way to say it would be hard/hardly profitable for them to gain more market share), the only way to get more profit (thereby satisfying their shareholders) is to raise price when they can.

You might have a anti-trust case if Nvidia sold 1080 at below cost and drove AMD's market share down to single digits, as is your case holds no water as Nvidia is fully justified in charging any price above BOM for their cards that satisfies their shareholders(not you rolleyes.gif ).

AMD can help the consumer by coming out with another 4870 or 290 or Athlon instead going to court and waste whatever limited funds they borrowed from VCs for a verdict in 4-5 years.

rolleyes.gif


You guys just don't get it. All you see is "fanboy"-while your logic is clouded. Note you are the one who mentioned AMD.

I never said Nvidia was not justified in charging whatever they feel like.
I personally couldn't care less if you are stupid enough to pay $2000 for the next Ti.

Personally as a fan of AMD in general, I am not concerned one bit about 1080 performance.
The GTX 1080's market competition is not an AMD product. The GTX 1080's competition is the GTX 980 Ti.
As for that comparison.....
One can get a 980Ti for $490,brand new. Try to find a GTX 1080 in stock...cheapest aib for around $630. Compare overclock to overclock the 1080 gives you 10-12% improvement in relevant resolutions.
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You guys just don't get it. All you see is "fanboy"-while your logic is clouded. Note you are the one who mentioned AMD.

I never said Nvidia was not justified in charging whatever they feel like.
I personally couldn't care less if you are stupid enough to pay $2000 for the next Ti.

Personally as a fan of AMD in general, I am not concerned one bit about 1080 performance.
The GTX 1080's market competition is not an AMD product. The GTX 1080's competition is the GTX 980 Ti.
As for that comparison.....
One can get a 980Ti for $490,brand new. Try to find a GTX 1080 in stock...cheapest aib for around $630. Compare overclock to overclock the 1080 gives you 10-12% improvement in relevant resolutions.
Cased closed.

If nothing, your arguments are always interesting.

When the 390x debuted, everyone kept talking about the 290x being the better deal. Instead you said it was EOL and pointed out all the improvements AMD made to the 390x. And if you look at the two objectively, you are right. For a bit more money, the 390x has better features, lower power consumption etc.

Now we have the 1080 replacing the 980 Ti. And if we look at it objectively, the 1080 has all those same attributes the 390x did vs it's predecessor and more plus it's cheaper.

But somehow, you're now on the other side of the fence and it's not a good deal. Instead, you use clearance pricing on the 980 Ti to make the 1080 look bad but didn't do the same with 290x/390x.

Perhaps logic clouding is occurring in more than one instance.
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