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I'll just tell you the same thing I told Cryosis00.

You go right on ahead and do that, and then tell us how well it works out for you. I'm willing to bet not well.

Also the Lapdog does have a competitor, it isn't the only of it's kind;
http://www.corsair.com/en-us/landing/lapdog
http://www.roccat.org/en-US/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/Sova/
http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-controllers/razer-turret

Honestly... I don't see a lot of difference in corsairs product and what the guy was saying... if you took the time to make it look good and be comfy, ie: not literally just cut plywood, elastic bands and a pillow, but sanded down the edges, maybe some trim added around to keep the keyboard from sliding and putting some mem foam cushioning or even foam underneath and tidy everything up, then glue/attach a US?B hub, you could likely make something extremely nice and have it custom adjusted to your needs. It could be a lot cheaper, nicer and more custom fitting than corsairs, and you use any kb and mouse combo you want...

I don't own one or even have tried corsairs, but I did use something thats essentially the same a friend bought from china... I looks extremely similar and has similar layout and features. To me it was crazy uncomfortable to use and I hate having my mouse that close to my kb... I've actually used a TV tray table with adjustable angle in a nice chair and found it a million times better.

But to each their own. I'm sure for some this will fill a need they have and do it well, I still can't wrap my head around the price, little to no competition or not...

Understandable.

But how many hours would it take you to do that? More than 2-3 I'm guessing, which, counting time as money, means it's more expensive to make your own unless you're retired and/or need a project.
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That's...actually quite a bit of work. Especially for anyone who isn't into crafting/projects/etc and doesn't have the tools or know-how to do a good job of it and would rather leave it to the professionals.

But by no means am I defending Corsair Lapdog here, it is way overpriced for offering such a basic concept.

I'm sure once demand increases for such products we'll see mass-produced versions from Taiwan/Korea/etc that do the same job at a fraction of the price. Currently it's still too niche, and companies overcharge for niche things.

I agree. I just meant, "if you REALLY need this you can do it cheap, or you can take the time if you have the knowhow and do something similar but possibly better for cheaper." I know most won't have the tools/know how to do what I said all fancy tongue.gif

But anyway, we're getting off topic. Decent concept but I see far too many failing for it to be viable for most of even this niche market. A niche product thats quite expensive would have to target people with at least some disposable income. These kinds of people that wanna play PC games in living room likely already have their kb/mouse of choice anyway. So your trying to force them to buying a kb they don't have, thats also not cheap, or hope they already have your kb, and not just any of your kb, very specific models. It's one of those products I look at and question simply because it looks like its targeting a niche section of a niche market. I dunno if I've ever used the word "niche" so many times in such a small post lol.

If they turn around and allow proper adjustments for using a wider array of keyboards I'd say it could have a chance. Seeing this as it is, I'm sure a handful of people will buy it at least. But as a general product, I hope they don't mass produce this thing expecting decent sales redface.gif

So, what, they should make one that fits every keyboard? How about TKLs? Full size old school IBM keyboards? Both?

They have a choice between "Works really well for the products they make an maybe some others will work too", and "Lol I painted a plank of wood". At least is isn't Razer's pitiful solution.

I really do see a lot of people putting down the price and saying absurd things like "make your own, it'll be cheaper", when it's a straight up lie. If you don't like the price, cool, but dude... So much justification that is not even remotely close to being true.

I'm certain you're already in this category, but it's a case of "don't like it don't buy it". It's only real competition is the ROCCAT one and it's price isn't announced yet. And their keyboard is straight up built in with no compatibility at all.
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$120 US?!!?!!
I wouldn't even pay half of that for what is essentially a plank with a keyboard hole, mouse pad and usb extensions cables.

Fixing a keyboard + mousepad + mouse to a piece of ply takes little to no skill whatsoever and achieves the same results for less than $10.. $15 if you want extension cables and that includes a spray can of enamel to paint it if looks matter.

Or someone with minimal skills could use a higher thickness ply, then route a recessed channel for their keyboard, and weight relief on the underside of the mousepad and nice super smooth corners etc.. for a couple dollars more in well under an hour.

Either option would probably leave you infinity more satisfied than spending $120 on this...


Not that just a hard mousepad/soft mousepad+book isn't already good enough for couch gaming.
I get that having the mouse connected to the keyboard+pad combo is more convenient but is it $120 worth of more convenient? hell no..

Even with disposable income I could never justify spending THAT much on such an item.

lachen.gif You think that falls under "Minimal Skill"?

"Minimal Skill" is lucky to hit a stud when hanging a shelf. Most people in that category may not even own a hammer.
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lachen.gif You think that falls under "Minimal Skill"?

"Minimal Skill" is lucky to hit a stud when hanging a shelf. Most people in that category may not even own a hammer.

What you describe is what I call "hopeless", or "shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects."

If you want something that truly takes no effort, buy a USB hub and plonk it on the arm of the sofa. One wire heading to your PC, keyboard and mouse are no longer tethered to each other and there's no extra weight on your legs.

All accomplished in one click thanks to Amazon.
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lachen.gif You think that falls under "Minimal Skill"?

"Minimal Skill" is lucky to hit a stud when hanging a shelf. Most people in that category may not even own a hammer.

What you describe is what I call "hopeless", or "shouldn't be trusted with sharp objects."

If you want something that truly takes no effort, buy a USB hub and plonk it on the arm of the sofa. One wire heading to your PC, keyboard and mouse are no longer tethered to each other and there's no extra weight on your legs.

All accomplished in one click thanks to Amazon.

Fair enough, Hopeless is a pretty good description of someone that may not own a hammer. I would argue that "Minimal Skill" is pretty close to "Hopeless" on the scale, but that is for each person to decide.

But the dude is talking about routing, counter balancing, and edge smoothing. All of these require either a lot of hand skill/special tools (Wood chisel at minimum really, and god help you if you hand-smooth basically anything *shudder*), or access to power/table tools.

Now, I have a dremel, and a power sander, several drills, even a circular saw and a saw horse among other misc tools. I probably have the ability and tools to do what he's saying. I also live in a house, not an apartment or a condo. I also have these tools for reasons completely unrelated to this thread. If you think the average person has all that (If not, $$$), has room for all that (Why buy what you can't store?), and has the ability to use all that (not everyone has training/practice)...

Likewise, your "solution" is not a good one either. I've done that. So have guests I have over who plug their laptops into the projector. It leads to sore arms. It's not comfortable. Awkward angles make for bad aim. Wirehell makes for not as easy reclining. All this from the guy that modded 2x 3-pin power and 2x USB into the center console of his couch just to charge controllers/laptops. No lap table of some kind means you're going to have a bad time.

EDIT: If it was even as remotely simple or as easy a fix as all you experts seem to think it is, Corsair, Roccat, and Razer would not all be making products to solve the "problem".
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Fair enough, Hopeless is a pretty good description of someone that may not own a hammer. I would argue that "Minimal Skill" is pretty close to "Hopeless" on the scale, but that is for each person to decide.

But the dude is talking about routing, counter balancing, and edge smoothing. All of these require either a lot of hand skill/special tools (Wood chisel at minimum really, and god help you if you hand-smooth basically anything *shudder*), or access to power/table tools.

Now, I have a dremel, and a power sander, several drills, even a circular saw and a saw horse among other misc tools. I probably have the ability and tools to do what he's saying. I also live in a house, not an apartment or a condo. I also have these tools for reasons completely unrelated to this thread. If you think the average person has all that (If not, $$$), has room for all that (Why buy what you can't store?), and has the ability to use all that (not everyone has training/practice)...

Likewise, your "solution" is not a good one either. I've done that. So have guests I have over who plug their laptops into the projector. It leads to sore arms. It's not comfortable. Awkward angles make for bad aim. Wirehell makes for not as easy reclining. All this from the guy that modded 2x 3-pin power and 2x USB into the center console of his couch just to charge controllers/laptops. No lap table of some kind means you're going to have a bad time.

EDIT: If it was even as remotely simple or as easy a fix as all you experts seem to think it is, Corsair, Roccat, and Razer would not all be making products to solve the "problem".

+1 I don't have all the tools or likely the skill. I have a drill and dremel but not a circular saw or a router. Even if I did I'm not sure I'd do an outstanding job. I've done simple jobs like fishing wire through walls, some tile work, small plumbing/electrical jobs, staining already completed wood pieces, but carpentry that needs to look nice enough to be in the living room, no. Fortunately what I do have is disposable income and a ready made, sharp looking product newly available for sale for less than what it'd cost me in time and extra power tools.

His "solution" for me was to put together a wall PC... Never mind that I already have PCs in cases, a HTPC with a dedicated spot in the entertainment center, and walls that aren't barren meaning no place on the wall I'd want to stick one in a living room either.
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+1 I don't have all the tools or likely the skill. I have a drill and dremel but not a circular saw or a router. Even if I did I'm not sure I'd do an outstanding job. I've done simple jobs like fishing wire through walls, some tile work, small plumbing/electrical jobs, staining already completed wood pieces, but carpentry that needs to look nice enough to be in the living room, no. Fortunately what I do have is disposable income and a ready made, sharp looking product newly available for sale for less than what it'd cost me in time and extra power tools.

His "solution" for me was to put together a wall PC... Never mind that I already have PCs in cases, a HTPC with a dedicated spot in the entertainment center, and walls that aren't barren meaning no place on the wall I'd want to stick one in a living room either.


You could do it with nothing but a dremel if you needed to.

But still making one would not be my first choice either(and I'm the idiot who suggested it lol)
What stemmed this...its the $120 USD price tag...

I'm not usually one for defending or suggesting razor but their Turret is $149 with the keyboard and the mouse included.

The Lapdog looks like a great item... it is just not worth the over $200 I would be paying here for it.

I'm quite interested to see what roccat's offering will be priced at being the best looking option of them all.

But atm I will stick with planky lol
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Likewise, your "solution" is not a good one either. I've done that. So have guests I have over who plug their laptops into the projector. It leads to sore arms. It's not comfortable. Awkward angles make for bad aim. Wirehell makes for not as easy reclining. All this from the guy that modded 2x 3-pin power and 2x USB into the center console of his couch just to charge controllers/laptops. No lap table of some kind means you're going to have a bad time.

I must be a Troglodyte then, because I've been doing it for years without my arms getting sore and I don't find the angles awkward at all.

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At first glace, I thought this might be intended to house a peripheral GPU.

That's a product I could sink my teeth into. It'd be nice to be able to plop an ultra book down and get gaming performance similar to a desktop with a single connection. Give me networked external storage, a peripheral GPU that can be connected/disconnected hot, and an ultrabook with a strong CPU and I'll damn near walk away from desktop solutions. It'd be much more power efficient, too.
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At first glace, I thought this might be intended to house a peripheral GPU.

That's a product I could sink my teeth into. It'd be nice to be able to plop an ultra book down and get gaming performance similar to a desktop with a single connection. Give me networked external storage, a peripheral GPU that can be connected/disconnected hot, and an ultrabook with a strong CPU and I'll damn near walk away from desktop solutions. It'd be much more power efficient, too.

I thought a couple companies were actually designing if not selling such a device. I don't recall the details though as it wasn't something I was in the market for.
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At first glace, I thought this might be intended to house a peripheral GPU.

That's a product I could sink my teeth into. It'd be nice to be able to plop an ultra book down and get gaming performance similar to a desktop with a single connection. Give me networked external storage, a peripheral GPU that can be connected/disconnected hot, and an ultrabook with a strong CPU and I'll damn near walk away from desktop solutions. It'd be much more power efficient, too.

I'm not entirely certain how you thought that, but AMD now supports in drivers that exact concept.

See: Razer Blade Stealth

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/xconnect

There are probably others too. I do not consider it to be an elegant solution as "Strong CPU in an Ultrabook" is an oxymoron, but it would certainly give your ultra portable a good boost.
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Likewise, your "solution" is not a good one either. I've done that. So have guests I have over who plug their laptops into the projector. It leads to sore arms. It's not comfortable. Awkward angles make for bad aim. Wirehell makes for not as easy reclining. All this from the guy that modded 2x 3-pin power and 2x USB into the center console of his couch just to charge controllers/laptops. No lap table of some kind means you're going to have a bad time.

I must be a Troglodyte then, because I've been doing it for years without my arms getting sore and I don't find the angles awkward at all.


And also a horrible decorator since you suggested someone with a nice HTPC hang it on the wall...

More seriously, just the people who have walked away from my house with a sore arm from a night of gaming, not including me, outnumbers you 5:1. Most of them more than once.

Alternatively, you could simply have a vastly different couch that actually has enough space for a good mouse pad. I'm willing to bet though that a mouse pad at butt level when sitting up is not a good way to start your day, and most couch arms will not keep a rigid mouse pad both flat and level with the ground. None of that would explain your magical solution for wirehell though.
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I'm not entirely certain how you thought that, but AMD now supports in drivers that exact concept.

See: Razer Blade Stealth

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth
http://www.amd.com/en-us/innovations/software-technologies/technologies-gaming/xconnect

There are probably others too. I do not consider it to be an elegant solution as "Strong CPU in an Ultrabook" is an oxymoron, but it would certainly give your ultra portable a good boost.
And also a horrible decorator since you suggested someone with a nice HTPC hang it on the wall...

More seriously, just the people who have walked away from my house with a sore arm from a night of gaming, not including me, outnumbers you 5:1. Most of them more than once.

Alternatively, you could simply have a vastly different couch that actually has enough space for a good mouse pad. I'm willing to bet though that a mouse pad at butt level when sitting up is not a good way to start your day, and most couch arms will not keep a rigid mouse pad both flat and level with the ground. None of that would explain your magical solution for wirehell though.

I've actually just got an ultra-smooshy couch, so that when I sit on it anything I set off to my side such as a mouse pad ends up at the same height as my lap. The arms are wide too, so I can easily set my rigid mouse pad on an arm and play, which I find is more convenient for FPS.

Never needed my mouse pad to be level. As a matter of fact I now prefer for it not to be unless I'm sitting at a desk with a perfectly adjusted chair, which is almost never. I'm not an expert on couch physics but there seems to be a natural law for ultra-smooshy couches that whenever you place a mouse pad beside you it will always be at the ergonomically correct angle so that it feels more natural than a surface that's perfectly parallel with the floor.

No wire hell for me, and I have 3 other gaming peripherals hooked to my PC other than a mouse and keyboard. The H630 looks like an end table of sorts, no lights or flashy bits or exposed fans. I even had to get in the habit of leaving a book over the power button to keep people from poking it out of curiosity to see if it really is a power button. Apparently the Aquaero on the front face isn't enough of a hint.
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