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Hello guys, I have finally received my i7-6700k and I am ready to start transitioning to building a new main PC and turning this one into a NAS/Plex Media server - I just have a few question and any advice on the best set up.
The Hardware: System (Click to show)
Xeon E3-1246v3
z97 AsRock Extreme 6
Radeon HD 7950 3gb
Crucial bellatix Sport 16gb RAM
EVGA g2 850w
HP ProCurve 1920 Managed Switch (JG924A)
Netgear R8500 Router - 2 LACP ports to the switch , will upgrade to a router with 4 LACP capable ports when one is available


The Plan: I would like to set this up using FreeBSD and running FreeNAS on it and then getting the Plex Server plug in. I will have 4x 4TB WD Red HDD for the set up and have read that you want 1g RAM for each TB so I have 16gb ram right now which I will be upgrading to a total of 32gb to allow for future upgrading as well as running VMs and giving Plex enough juice after FreeNAS steals most of it. I will have a 4 port NIC to set up LACP from the NAS to the Switch so multiple connections to Plex can run smoothly. I am also wanting a P2P connection from the server pc to the Main pc I am going to build for faster transfer speed and non reliance on the internet when I am at home. I will be looking to use a RAID Controller on the FreeNAS Unit so that the CPU doesn't need to handle the raid.

TLDR;
1. Are there any better options for a hardware raid controller other than the Dell perc 5/i?
2. Any advice on getting 4 HDDs that are from a different batch so that they don't go out near the same time or is this an unfounded over exaggerated concern?
3. Is ECC Ram important enough to switch to and get a new motherboard or am I good with non-ecc ram?
4. P2P via Thunderbolt 2 Add on cards or use 10GB/s NIC which also allows future upgrades to 10GB/s internet speeds?
5. Is it even possible to use FreeBSD to share the RAID5 volume, that the NAS utilizes, through a TB2 connection or a Network connection aside from FreeNAS?


Raid:
I am unsure of which Raid Controller to use, I have seen DuckieHos thread on the Dell Perc 5/i but given how old it was I wanted to check and see if there was a better option out not or not? Although the motherboard may be able to handle the RAID I am wanting to use a card for A) The Experience B) Allow full cpu utilization to the freenas and plex transcoding. Are there any better options for a hardware raid controller other than the Dell perc? Also, on a side note - is there any advice on getting 4 HDDs that are from a different batch so that they don't go out near the same time or is this an unfounded over exaggerated concern?

ECC RAM:
How big of an importance is the ECC Ram? I am currently using non-ecc ram in which I intend to buy another 16gb to max it out and allow for other things however if I need to switch to ecc ram now is the prime time. The motherboard that I have to my knowledge does not support ECC Ram. Is ECC Ram important enough to switch to and get a new motherboard or am I good with non-ecc ram?

P2P:
I am wanting to get some sort of set up to connect the FreeNAS System to my main system in case there is internet failure I can still access my files and for when I do my video editing I am not restricted to 1GB/s transfer speed over the network. Since the z97 board supports a Thunderbolt 2 AIC and the new motherboard supports a card and will have TB3 on it; I was considering just using a Thunderbolt 2 connection between the two PCs for faster access to files since everything will be saved on there. The other alternative would be to buy a older 10GB/S NIC for ~75 a piece for both PCs and run direct connect to them. Benefit of this would be that should I ever get the 10GB/s internet I would have the necessary hardware to be able to use it. Which do you guys recommend?
Is it even possible to use FreeBSD to share the RAID5 volume, that the NAS utilizes, through a TB2 connection or a Network connection aside from FreeNAS?


Thanks for any and all assistance! smile.gif
Jiry
Edited by Jiryama - 6/8/16 at 3:42am
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Anyone? Raid set aside, just need to know mainly if I have to use ecc ram when I am running freebsd and not windows server will it really make much of a difference? And what would be the best way to connect 2 PCs together, 10G/s Lan ports or via Thunder bolt 2?
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Anyone? Raid set aside, just need to know mainly if I have to use ecc ram when I am running freebsd and not windows server will it really make much of a difference? And what would be the best way to connect 2 PCs together, 10G/s Lan ports or via Thunder bolt 2?

You don't have to use ECC RAM but I have heard that ECC RAM stops 1-2 errors/crashes a month. If that appeals to you then go for it, DDR3 ECC is cheap right now.
And Thunderbolt 2 should be like twice as fast.
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You don't have to use ECC RAM but I have heard that ECC RAM stops 1-2 errors/crashes a month. If that appeals to you then go for it, DDR3 ECC is cheap right now.
And Thunderbolt 2 should be like twice as fast.
Thanks, was wondering how important it is because to switch over to ecc I would have to get a new motherboard and new ram and it would run me about $450 where if I don't need it I could stick with just $100 for more non-ecc ram.

Yeah I know TB2 is faster but I don't know if using 10gb/s nic cards would be better for future proofing for the side chance I might get fast internet one day lol. TB2 might be cheaper way to go though I suppose. Would I need software to use with the TB2 cards or will just connecting both of them make the HDDs discoverable on the main pc?
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Thanks, was wondering how important it is because to switch over to ecc I would have to get a new motherboard and new ram and it would run me about $450 where if I don't need it I could stick with just $100 for more non-ecc ram.

Yeah I know TB2 is faster but I don't know if using 10gb/s nic cards would be better for future proofing for the side chance I might get fast internet one day lol. TB2 might be cheaper way to go though I suppose. Would I need software to use with the TB2 cards or will just connecting both of them make the HDDs discoverable on the main pc?

I'm not quite sure about that. I don't think you should have to install anything. And you wouldn't have to get a new mobo for ECC memory, since the memory controller is integrated into the CPU. But non-ECC would still be more cost effective.
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I'm not quite sure about that. I don't think you should have to install anything. And you wouldn't have to get a new mobo for ECC memory, since the memory controller is integrated into the CPU. But non-ECC would still be more cost effective.

He would definitely have to purchase a new motherboard. Z97 chipset will not support ECC memory. It is possible the memory itself would work, I do not know enough about that specific board, but the ECC function will not work regardless. Of course, whether or not it is worth the cost for this system is purely a matter of preference. If I understand the OP correctly, this is going to essentially be a plex media server. For me personally, I look at it as the worst possible scenario is the system crashes when I'm trying to watch a movie and I have to restart. A mild inconvenience, and not one I would replace my motherboard to address, especially since we don't prevent the problem, just slightly reduce the chances. Would be different if this was a production server my business depended on. Of course, I feel the same way about RAID as well. I figure worse case scenario is a HDD dies when I'm trying to watch a movie and I have to spend an hour or two restoring from backup. A mild annoyance, and not one I would spend literally double the money for HDDs on (plus the controller). Obviously no one can tell OP if it is "worth it".
To address the specific questions:

1. Yes, many. The primary benefit of that particular controller is that it can be had for cheap.

2. No, not really. Practically speaking, it is possible for a particular batch of HDDs to be defective and make it past QA and for the retailer to sell all your drives from that same batch and for no one else to notice. Realistically, I just don't consider that to be a common enough occurrence to worry about, as well, if it is a problem you will know right away (a bad batch doesn't manifest itself 2 years later, more like 2 days later). I suppose if you considered it that much of a concern you could buy from different suppliers.

3. Already addressed.

4. I would definitely go with 10gbe; it is much more flexible, upgradable, and quite frankly, it just works.

5. Perhaps some of our Freenas guys can chime in here, but I was of the impression that one of the primary benefits of using freenas was that you DONT use a RAID controller with it, that you pass the drives directly to the OS and let the OS handle the RAID.
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2x EK Acetal Full Cover Block 2x Alphacool 480  24x Gentle Typhoon AP-14 Bitspower 400 Multi 
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