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Are they really that greedy? Forcing people to buy Titan Y to run 3 and 4 card SLI? It's not enough that people pay a premium for the SLI certified motherboard, now they are blocking 3-4 way SLI on mid-high end cards too? Nvidia's greediness knows no bound. I hope someone buys ATI (or RTG now) from AMD so they can put out some really competitive stuff. Maybe Samsung?
Where did you get the idea it's going to be re-enabled on more expensive GPUs? I see zero reason for Nvidia to do that. That would require just as big an investment, but would be spread over even fewer customers.
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Where did you get the idea it's going to be re-enabled on more expensive GPUs? I see zero reason for Nvidia to do that. That would require just as big an investment, but would be spread over even fewer customers.

But muh conspiracy....
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People need to understand you don't need 3x 4k monitors for 4k surround at least for AMD. I suspect its also possible in nvidias DSR as well. I can run triple 4k eyefinity on my 3x1080p monitors. Yeah its downsampling technically but it still looks way better than 3x1080p. The point is for testing at least its possible without spending big bucks on 4k panels. So you could spend on gpu horsepower and skimp on monitors for a short term. Its simple stuff really gpu power is needed in sli/cf or multi gpu through dx12/vulkan until we get single gpus powerful enough. Reducing SLI is one step of moving away instead of progressing.

The whole thing of VR using 2 gpus is possibly only temporarily needed. With new gpu releases eventually one gpu can be enough, however this is not the case for high resolution gaming on pc. Displays are constantly going up in pixels and hertz so there isn't a ceiling there yet. VR headsets are probably going to be like consoles in regards to hardware. Chances are upgrades to them in pixels will be very slow.

People are assuming dx12 multigpu support will take over for SLI but given current dx12 titles this doesn't look good. The biggest benefactor for this is MS and their push for xbox unity. If the trend continues with dx12 its very possible your looking at No SLI and No muligpudx12 in the near future. So saying its uselsss or i dont care because i only use 2waysli or no sli is like sticking your head in the sand. If the tables were reversed i would be sticking up for more options not less.
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I can understand this. A small fraction of the market even owns 2 cards. A smaller fraction owns 3 and 4. And the performance is hit or miss. Plus I'm sure it's hard to code for that, which is probably why they're doing it.
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post #145 of 193
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I can understand this. A small fraction of the market even owns 2 cards. A smaller fraction owns 3 and 4. And the performance is hit or miss. Plus I'm sure it's hard to code for that, which is probably why they're doing it.

That was exactly the reason Tom Petersen gave for not continuing 3 and 4 way sli on pascal.

https://youtu.be/rO7pfttVAn0?t=8m6s
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Uggh.... I think I am gonna sit out multi-gpu this go around.
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Where did you get the idea it's going to be re-enabled on more expensive GPUs? I see zero reason for Nvidia to do that. That would require just as big an investment, but would be spread over even fewer customers.

um...

460 2 way sli only
560ti 2 way sli only
660 2 way sli only

480/470/465* up to 3 and 4
570/580 up to 4 way
670/680 up to 4 way.

based on past series there is a real possibility that what he said is true.

*465 only had 3 way.
Edited by Master__Shake - 6/12/16 at 7:41pm
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um...

460 2 way sli only
560ti 2 way sli only
660 2 way sli only

480/470/465* up to 3 and 4
570/580 up to 4 way
670/680 up to 4 way.

based on past series there is a real possibility that what he said is true.

*465 only had 3 way.

That's my belief as well, going back to days passed. It will be exclusive to flagship cards. When your spending the kinda money 4-Way requires, why would they support such a configuration on midrange pascal cards anyway? Cards that are designed for the more typical gamer. Ti's and Titans are in a league of their own and are truly enthusiast territory.

Nobody does 4way on midrange gpu's anyway, but along comes the 1080, and because its a Titan X beater everyone is up in arms support is gone. Pascal like any generation of GPU's has a family line up, and the 1080 is the middle card in the family.

People can argue that its not midrange but it is, fact. And Nvidia is simply seperating those domains. Bit like Intel and their extreme editions, were going back to historial costs....aka Pentium Pro. You want the best, you better have deep pockets.

Nvidia and Intel alike are now milking enthusiasts of their hard earn coin.
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Are they really that greedy? Forcing people to buy Titan Y to run 3 and 4 card SLI? It's not enough that people pay a premium for the SLI certified motherboard, now they are blocking 3-4 way SLI on mid-high end cards too? Nvidia's greediness knows no bound. I hope someone buys ATI (or RTG now) from AMD so they can put out some really competitive stuff. Maybe Samsung?

Out of all the possible reasons Nvidia could discontinue 3+ SLI you're honestly going with a conspiracy to force the sale of a currently-imaginary dual-GPU supercard?

If Nvidia is not going to support 4-way then a dual Pascal card akin to the Titan Z is subject to the same restrictions. Just because there are basically two cards sharing the same PCB doesn't change the fact there are still two cards present. There's no magic in the Titan Z. Simply two slightly gimped Titans sharing one PCB with SLI 'hard enabled'.

My guess is this is not the result of greed but more likely the result of some cost to benefit thinking. As others have suggested, I think the cost to develop drivers and gain game developer support for 3-4-way SLI isn't justifiable given the revenue from the extra cards sold. What percentage of buyers is honestly willing to throw down the funds to run a setup like that? 1%? Less than that?

Were you planning on running 3 or more 1080's?

I'm not sure why this is such a big deal. For me personally all I'm going to miss is seeing the super-builds on the net and YouTube packed full of top-range GPUs. I've run 2-way SLI for many years and have had my doubts at times just with that setup. While funding is there, the thought of going to 3 or more has never been on the table. There are just too many issues and generally the scaling beyond 2 cards is pretty hit or miss; more often miss.
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That's my belief as well, going back to days passed. It will be exclusive to flagship cards. When your spending the kinda money 4-Way requires, why would they support such a configuration on midrange pascal cards anyway? Cards that are designed for the more typical gamer. Ti's and Titans are in a league of their own and are truly enthusiast territory.

Nobody does 4way on midrange gpu's anyway, but along comes the 1080, and because its a Titan X beater everyone is up in arms support is gone. Pascal like any generation of GPU's has a family line up, and the 1080 is the middle card in the family.

People can argue that its not midrange but it is, fact. And Nvidia is simply seperating those domains. Bit like Intel and their extreme editions, were going back to historial costs....aka Pentium Pro. You want the best, you better have deep pockets.

Nvidia and Intel alike are now milking enthusiasts of their hard earn coin.

bolded and quoted for truth.
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