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Hello community,

Last night I went to my local Microcenter and purchased the i7-6950x for $1599. I'm still unsure about the processor, but I wanted to at least purchase it while it was on sale.

The more reviews I read on the 6950x, the more difference in opinions I see. Some have recommended purchasing 2x Xeons for 20+ cores and 40 threads compared to 10 cores and 20 threads for roughly the same price. Others have said the chip is amazing, but won't overclock pass 4.1ghz, while others have said its not worth the price.

I think the OC community is very great and has given me great advice over the years. Do you think I should keep the 6950x or look at going the 2x Xeon route for gaming? I don't know much about Xeon processors (other than they are mainly used for servers). Is 2x Xeons even viable for gaming as from what I read it's locked and cannot be oc'd?

I would appreciate any advice or suggestions!

Thanks for reading my post.

to be honest for gaming u don't need both, moreover most probably they will be even worse than other alternatives, I believe the absolute best cpu (money no object!) for gaming would be the 6850k, has 6 cores which is more than enough, have the same tdp 140w, definitely gonna clock better than 6950x and has 40 pci lanes if u intend to sli

best value though goes to 6700k, and seriously even the advantage of 6850k above 6700k is gonna be minimal if ever noticeable for gaming, moreover 6700k might be better for gaming if clocked higher so I advice u to go the 6700k route and save the money for better mobe/gpu/ssd


honorable mention: 4790k is still one of the universally acclaimed and best performing gaming chips, all of the more expensive/higher-end chips that came after has minimal/barely noticeable benefit in gaming above a high clocked 4790k

I myself have a 5930k clocked at 4.4 and I never seen a higher than 50% cpu usage even on the most cpu intensive/online multiplayer games!


my last advice to u, as I can see money is of no object to u, I don't mind that its your money after all, but seriously forget that 6950x/xeon thing and go for the 6850k trust me its gonna clock better and be better for gaming in general
Edited by SsXxX - 6/9/16 at 1:49pm
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Do not go with a multi-socket system for gaming. Dual socket systems add complexities with PCI-E affinity per socket, memory affinity per socket, it just adds complexity.

Single node / single socket system is where you want to be for high performance single threaded and multi threaded applications. Think about when you get an app that is utilizing the second CPU but needs to go over the QPI lane and then hit the PCI-E card that's on the other socket. Bull **** I say to whoever tells you to go dual socket.

Stick with the 6950X, 25MB L3 cache, and 4.1GHz overclock. You're good for $1600 .. especially with the ~7% IPC increase on BW-E over HW-E, think of this as a 4.4GHz 5960X with 10 cores. The "average" 5960X OC was 4.4GHz in the first iteration. Intel made some improvements on later batches...
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Wow, I just looked up the SR-2 (never heard of it before), and it looks beastly! Was it a great board? Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought I read the new Xeons are locked?

I didn't own one (too young and poor at the time), but it was legendary. As you have probably heard Skylake allows bclk overclock (with proper BIOS), so I hope the golden age returns.
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Do not go with a multi-socket system for gaming. Dual socket systems add complexities with PCI-E affinity per socket, memory affinity per socket, it just adds complexity.

Indeed it does, but "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor."
Edited by Dotachin - 6/9/16 at 1:56pm
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The way processors are advancing, I think a 10 Core processor is a great investment, IPC is slowly increasing, so slowly that Sandy Bridge to Skylake there's almost no difference for gaming when both are running at 4GHz.

I'd say you should wait for Zen and AMD's high IPC Skylake-Like 8-12 Cores CPUs and make the jump to the Enthusiast End, we're on the verge of DirectX 12 which is capable of making use of more than 8 cores at a time for gaming, in 2 yers when every game is using either DX12 or Vulkan an 8 core CPU will become noticeable superior to any i5 no matter its overclock, an 8 core clocked at even 3GHz should be able to stomp any quad core i5 at 5.5GHz over a parallel API like Vulkan/DX12 given that both have the same IPC.

If anything, users that have bought the 8 Core Xeons of 6 Years ago and are overclocking the CPU to 4GHz or more today have no need to upgrade to Skylake or Kaby Lake, and when DirectX 12 becomes Mainstream those then 8 years Xeon processors will become even more incredible, they'll stomp on today's i7 Skylake, which is incredible for a processor that at the time will be 8 years old, and they will extend their lifetime another good 5 years more without losing any performance.

If there is one PC componente that is worth investing, that is our CPUs and I don't mean paying almost 2K$ for a 10 cores i7X, at least I hope I don't mean that, as I have hopes that when Zen comes it'll rightly priced, and/or Intel will be forced to change their segments into a 6 core for the mainstream line and 8 cores for the 5820K line, with a 10 Core 900$ processor.

You can alternatively just buy an incredible Sandy Bridge 8 Core monster on eBay, the Xeon E5-2670 8 Core Sandybridge, Overclock it to 4GHz and be set for the next 8 years of gaming, this 8 core Xeon goes for 50-80$ today, mindbogglingly, isn't it? you could go and put two in a server motherboard for a total of 16 real cores and 32 freaking threads, each core with just around 20% IPC Below Skylake, mean that for those Xeons cores to match the single core performance of a Skylake i5 at 3.5GHz the Xeons must be clocked to 4.0 to 4.1GHz which is entirely feasible and incredible, a peace of tech that's more than half a decade old and yet able to destroy current top of the line consumer CPUs.

eBay is your budget friend.

Or even better yet, a 12 Core/24 Threads HASWELL Xeon E5 2670 V3, if I'm not mistaken Haswell IPC is around 10% give or take from Skylake, this Xeon have the same IPC as a i7 4770K for example, 24 Threads of this glorious IPC with 12 REAL PHYSICALS CORES for 200$

eBay, my new God

Get two of these together and you're ready to run Google DeepMind on it, for 400$.

I for one I'm thinking on doing this, but Zen is less than a year away, and I don't really need to upgrade my current 5820K to a Xeon E5 2670 anyway.
Edited by Dargonplay - 6/9/16 at 2:22pm
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Do not go with a multi-socket system for gaming. Dual socket systems add complexities with PCI-E affinity per socket, memory affinity per socket, it just adds complexity.

Single node / single socket system is where you want to be for high performance single threaded and multi threaded applications. Think about when you get an app that is utilizing the second CPU but needs to go over the QPI lane and then hit the PCI-E card that's on the other socket. Bull **** I say to whoever tells you to go dual socket.

Stick with the 6950X, 25MB L3 cache, and 4.1GHz overclock. You're good for $1600 .. especially with the ~7% IPC increase on BW-E over HW-E, think of this as a 4.4GHz 5960X with 10 cores. The "average" 5960X OC was 4.4GHz in the first iteration. Intel made some improvements on later batches...

I still insist, for gaming 6850k is the way to go thumb.gif
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I still insist, for gaming 6850k is the way to go thumb.gif

I do not disagree sir. But for those with the thirst of cores and 25MB L3, 6950X ...
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As stated above, I do more than gaming that affects my CPU. Of course I know 10cores is way overkill for gaming (I'm not that naive); however, others things I do are affected by the CPU ram etc. If I was one that rebuilds a PC every time a new gen CPU comes out, I would not spend $1700. I've gotten way more out of my 3770K over the past 4 years than I paid. I like to semi future proof myself. Not sure if you do 4K Gaming, but my current i7 is struggling.

In addition, some folks just like to be early adopters of new technology. I am one of them. Do I need a new MacBook, iPad, iPhone, GCard, etc when it comes out. No, but I enjoy cutting edge technology and I'm fortunate to have the money to support it. wink.gif

I would stick with that 10 cores CPU and wouldn't bother with dual socket, unless you want to do it for fun. smile.gif
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I think your at the point were your wasting money trying to kill 2 birds with one pc. If it was me and I needed a gaming and say a bunch cores it's either 5820K for everything of 6700K for gaming a monster 2p server for selecting you need it for. IMHO the ipc advantage of bw-e is lost vs the clock advantage of hw-e. On the server side of your requirements what do you need as many threads as possible or higher clock + as many threads as possible?
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The way processors are advancing, I think a 10 Core processor is a great investment, IPC is slowly increasing, so slowly that Sandy Bridge to Skylake there's almost no difference for gaming when both are running at 4GHz.

I'd say you should wait for Zen and AMD's high IPC Skylake-Like 8-12 Cores CPUs and make the jump to the Enthusiast End, we're on the verge of DirectX 12 which is capable of making use of more than 8 cores at a time for gaming, in 2 yers when every game is using either DX12 or Vulkan an 8 core CPU will become noticeable superior to any i5 no matter its overclock, an 8 core clocked at even 3GHz should be able to stomp any quad core i5 at 5.5GHz over a parallel API like Vulkan/DX12 given that both have the same IPC.

If anything, users that have bought the 8 Core Xeons of 6 Years ago and are overclocking the CPU to 4GHz or more today have no need to upgrade to Skylake or Kaby Lake, and when DirectX 12 becomes Mainstream those then 8 years Xeon processors will become even more incredible, they'll stomp on today's i7 Skylake, which is incredible for a processor that at the time will be 8 years old, and they will extend their lifetime another good 5 years more without losing any performance.

If there is one PC componente that is worth investing, that is our CPUs and I don't mean paying almost 2K$ for a 10 cores i7X, at least I hope I don't mean that, as I have hopes that when Zen comes it'll rightly priced, and/or Intel will be forced to change their segments into a 6 core for the mainstream line and 8 cores for the 5820K line, with a 10 Core 900$ processor.

You can alternatively just buy an incredible Sandy Bridge 8 Core monster on eBay, the Xeon E5-2670 8 Core Sandybridge, Overclock it to 4GHz and be set for the next 8 years of gaming, this 8 core Xeon goes for 50-80$ today, mindbogglingly, isn't it? you could go and put two in a server motherboard for a total of 16 real cores and 32 freaking threads, each core with just around 20% IPC Below Skylake, mean that for those Xeons cores to match the single core performance of a Skylake i5 at 3.5GHz the Xeons must be clocked to 4.0 to 4.1GHz which is entirely feasible and incredible, a peace of tech that's more than half a decade old and yet able to destroy current top of the line consumer CPUs.

eBay is your budget friend.

Or even better yet, a 12 Core/24 Threads HASWELL Xeon E5 2670 V3, if I'm not mistaken Haswell IPC is around 10% give or take from Skylake, this Xeon have the same IPC as a i7 4770K for example, 24 Threads of this glorious IPC with 12 REAL PHYSICALS CORES for 200$

eBay, my new God

Get two of these together and you're ready to run Google DeepMind on it, for 400$.

I for one I'm thinking on doing this, but Zen is less than a year away, and I don't really need to upgrade my current 5820K to a Xeon E5 2670 anyway.

I thought E5-2xxx series processors are not overclockable...
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Hello community,

Last night I went to my local Microcenter and purchased the i7-6950x for $1599. I'm still unsure about the processor, but I wanted to at least purchase it while it was on sale.

The more reviews I read on the 6950x, the more difference in opinions I see. Some have recommended purchasing 2x Xeons for 20+ cores and 40 threads compared to 10 cores and 20 threads for roughly the same price. Others have said the chip is amazing, but won't overclock pass 4.1ghz, while others have said its not worth the price.

I think the OC community is very great and has given me great advice over the years. Do you think I should keep the 6950x or look at going the 2x Xeon route for gaming? I don't know much about Xeon processors (other than they are mainly used for servers). Is 2x Xeons even viable for gaming as from what I read it's locked and cannot be oc'd?

I would appreciate any advice or suggestions!

Thanks for reading my post.

to be honest for gaming u don't need both, moreover most probably they will be even worse than other alternatives, I believe the absolute best cpu (money no object!) for gaming would be the 6850k, has 6 cores which is more than enough, have the same tdp 140w, definitely gonna clock better than 6950x and has 40 pci lanes if u intend to sli

best value though goes to 6700k, and seriously even the advantage of 6850k above 6700k is gonna be minimal if ever noticeable for gaming, moreover 6700k might be better for gaming if clocked higher so I advice u to go the 6700k route and save the money for better mobe/gpu/ssd


honorable mention: 4790k is still one of the universally acclaimed and best performing gaming chips, all of the more expensive/higher-end chips that came after has minimal/barely noticeable benefit in gaming above a high clocked 4790k

I myself have a 5930k clocked at 4.4 and I never seen a higher than 50% cpu usage even on the most cpu intensive/online multiplayer games!


my last advice to u, as I can see money is of no object to u, I don't mind that its your money after all, but seriously forget that 6950x/xeon thing and go for the 6850k trust me its gonna clock better and be better for gaming in general

FINALLY! Why has nobody else told OP this? If you intend on getting the ABSOLUTE BEST PROCESSOR AVAILABLE FOR GAMING (during the next five years), THEN GET THE 6850k!

Six cores clocked at 4.7GHz will get more FPS than 10 cores clocked at 4.4GHz. In 5 years time we'll probably be making good use of 8 core like we do now of 4 core, BUT the loss in clock speed/overclockability going 10 core means it will perform worse even late in it's life cycle as core counts advance VERY slowly, but IPC (by comparison) advances fairly quickly!

Sure the games of the future will be made for 8 cores, but they'll also be made for much higher IPC.
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