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GPU.. forget a cpu upgrade.. I'm still on an X58 6 core with a GTX 670
     
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^ sounds good. Sandy was a great μ-arch. Kind of runs counter to the whole FX 8150 argument back in the day of "future proofing" when a purchaser of Sandy Bridge in 2011 would be set with top level performance for the next 5+ years! biggrin.gif I don't know of any other architecture that aged so well, that or Moore's law is totally dead and we are maxed out on silicon.
Hell, when i got the X58 system, I was sure i would be upgrading after sandy came out. but tossing a xeon in my board, life still breathes though this beast!!!!!

I ran realbench 2.4 and scored 137k, sitting with quite a few 2011 chips that are 10 times as much money. 6 year old silicon and a single 780, to turn out that score is more than satisfactory!!
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Basicaly for the last few years after trying out several stuff, I found a "golden" 2600k that can run 5ghz 24/7 with complete 100% stability on air and settled with that. Since then No upgrade really made sense until skylake (maybe). So I kept the basic system unchanged and just played around with the graphics cards.

The basic system is :

2600k @ 5ghz HT on
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I have changed several GPUs and the system has served me well. In about a month I plan on buying a GTX 1070 once the custom designs surface and the price settles at a more reasonable frame after they milk the first-adopters. Now, I am wondering if its about time to upgrade the basic system to match the GPU to a 6700k or a 5820k.
The first question is if the Sandy even at 5ghz is now far behind a skylake (assuming the skylake will clock to ~4.6ghz unless I am lucky, but I dont want to base my decision on assuming good luck)

The second question is if PCI-express 2.0 on the sandy will start to take its toll on the GTX 1070 (the truth is up to today even with 980ti there seems to be negligible difference from 3.0 to 2.0 pci-express)

If pci-express 3.0 is the only reason to upgrade and since I got the V gene, there is also the chance to try to find a used 3770k but it will be hard to find a good clocking one I guess (because under 4.8ghz it will be worse than my sandy)



What is your opinion guys?
I have a 3770k running @4.7Ghz and 32GB of ram @2400Mhz. Even though I had TX SLI/TI SLI, I was capped in certain games. Games like GTA V, Witcher 3 and the new Tomb Raider. Most of the time I destroyed everything at 1440p but I would run into instances where I would hit 40 fps. Best examples I could give you is Project Cars with max AI cars and thunderstorms or Some of Tomb Raiders levels (Geothermal Valley).
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I have a 3770k running @4.7Ghz and 32GB of ram @2400Mhz. Even though I had TX SLI/TI SLI, I was capped in certain games. Games like GTA V, Witcher 3 and the new Tomb Raider. Most of the time I destroyed everything at 1440p but I would run into instances where I would hit 40 fps. Best examples I could give you is Project Cars with max AI cars and thunderstorms or Some of Tomb Raiders levels (Geothermal Valley).

I think that is the limit of Sandy and Ivy i7s . . . single 980Ti, TX, and 1080. Anything higher, then it is time to upgrade the whole rig.
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I want to upgrade this thread with a new question.

First of all let me say I kinda got convinced by all of you to stick to the Sandy (I was already leaning this way anyway). However I happenned to get a good deal on a used 3770k and I thought "what the hell, lets try it out and then decide if I will sell it again and keep the Sandy or the opposite".

Well, this 3770k after some fast testing needs :
1.26v for 4.5ghz
1.34v for 4.6ghz
1.42+ for 4.7ghz

Obviously with aircooling 4.7 is a no-go (let alone I wouldnt like to pump so much voltage into it, I heard they degrade above 1.35) so the max I could run it 24/7 is 4.6ghz with 1.34v at a comfortable 83c max load.

Needless to say, at 4.6ghz with the same RAM (2133 11-12-11) as the Sandy the performance is worse in all CPU benchmarks (close though in most except PI calculations where the Sandy leads by a lot).

I cant benchmark games to know if the difference there is smaller than the pure cpu benchmarks or even if pci-e 3.0 / higher inherentIPC helps more there...

So the new question is, which one do I keep?
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I want to upgrade this thread with a new question.

First of all let me say I kinda got convinced by all of you to stick to the Sandy (I was already leaning this way anyway). However I happenned to get a good deal on a used 3770k and I thought "what the hell, lets try it out and then decide if I will sell it again and keep the Sandy or the opposite".

Well, this 3770k after some fast testing needs :
1.26v for 4.5ghz
1.34v for 4.6ghz
1.42+ for 4.7ghz

Obviously with aircooling 4.7 is a no-go (let alone I wouldnt like to pump so much voltage into it, I heard they degrade above 1.35) so the max I could run it 24/7 is 4.6ghz with 1.34v at a comfortable 83c max load.

Needless to say, at 4.6ghz with the same RAM (2133 11-12-11) as the Sandy the performance is worse in all CPU benchmarks (close though in most except PI calculations where the Sandy leads by a lot).

I cant benchmark games to know if the difference there is smaller than the pure cpu benchmarks or even if pci-e 3.0 / higher inherentIPC helps more there...

So the new question is, which one do I keep?

You need to oc the Sandy by about 200 MHz more over the Ivy - my estimate. But in this case, the 3770K should be a keeper - imo. Unless, it has seen more abused than the Sandy. 1.42v is high, though. That 4.6GHz looks better. Your Sandy is just amazingly good but much older.
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How would we rate this sample of 3770k doing 4.6 at 1.34v? Would this be average/above / good?
I am tempted to keep it just for the sake of pci-e 3.0 and because in games the inherent higher IPC might help it more than the higher clock of Sandy and because the voltage/temp at least is more sane than the 1.49v the sandy needs for 5ghz.

I am of course bummed by the downgrade (in a way), I dont know if I can cover some of the deficit with faster ram that Ivy allows or something...
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Its slightly above average but it isn't golden. However there were Ivy's that couldn't go beyond 4.3 Ghz. I owned a few.

Here are the ivy bridges I have had with what I remember the speed and voltage.
4.3 Ghz 3570K, delidded got me to 4.4 Ghz, sold, bad overclocker 4.4 took 1.45v or something IIRC.
4.3 GhZ 3770K, wouldn't go beyond 4.3 without a ton of voltage like 1.4+, but it was good with ram.
3.6 GhZ Xeon 1230v2, really good chip, would undervolt and run at .7 volt iirc but these don't overclock beyond 2x multi. Had amazing IMC and ram overclocks.
4.8 ghz 3770k @ 1.38v, prior owner got 4.7 @ 1.25v with big radiator watercooling, doesn't boot beyond 4.8 for me regardless of voltages. Doesn't have the greatest IMC compared to the xeon especially so I run 1800 Mhz 4x4 16GB samsung at 1.35v stable. I can boot 4.5 at 1.20v but it really wants 1.25v for stable.
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Hell, when i got the X58 system, I was sure i would be upgrading after sandy came out. but tossing a xeon in my board, life still breathes though this beast!!!!!

I ran realbench 2.4 and scored 137k, sitting with quite a few 2011 chips that are 10 times as much money. 6 year old silicon and a single 780, to turn out that score is more than satisfactory!!

My father runs an i7 930 D0 Stepping on a p6x58D-e, 3.74 ghz @ 1.22V and 1733? mhz 3x4 gb samsung yk0s, really nice setup and stable. I think x22 multi with 170 base clock Also benched 4.1 Ghz @ 1.24v but lower ram speed due to memory multi resulted in same effective speeds but more heat since he uses a coolermaster v8. With a radiator might do a lot more. I got a 9.5 second super pi 1m with it! Its not much slower than my Ivy, pretty impressive.

x58 was pretty nice too, it is amazing how cheap the xeons go these days, the motherboard is the pricey part right now.
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Try a different motherboard. Motherboards are not created equal.
     
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Try a different motherboard. Motherboards are not created equal.
Pretty true.
Op's Asus maximus gene is a good board though. I've heard the Asrocks are pretty good for core clocks as well. My gigabyte holds me back I think. redface.gif

You can also try turning off hyper thread and go for more clock, or maybe delidding, but in my experience delid didn't get me any actual higher clocking or stability, it just dropped my temperatures about 15 degrees and increased my stress level.
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