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I'm still trying to understand what on Facebook would make a landlord think a perspective tenant would be able to pay rent on time.
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Soon using social media sites will be a mandatory requirement or else you wont get certain if not all services.
Social media is so cancerous it hurts.

It's already mandatory for some stuff, but usually stupid things that you can ignore. Like hey, we'll give you "free(tm") stuff if you give us your social media account info! I think we can all agree that further influencing employers and housing would be a very bad thing.

I don't actually use any of those sites
Edited by Cyro999 - 6/11/16 at 3:41pm
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And they wonder why social media use is on the decline.

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Brilliant system. Giving apartment lenders better overview on the quality of renter, gives a range of benefits for lenderst too. They need to pay less deposits, and lower prices as risks for lenders are reduced, which will benefit good renters.

I personally, would prefer not to give this information to the landlord, but if it saves him and me money, my choice is simple.

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

 

Not only did you give up essential liberty you ran straight into the arms of the most dreaded society possible all for 'comfort'. If you think Orwell wrote a fictional story you have no idea what the UK is like.

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I'm not sure what info there is in a FB account that would give prospective landlords or employers any real advantage in weeding out individuals? If they looked at my FB, for instance, they would see a bunch of pictures of my bike and my daughter and that's about it. I rarely ever even post there so have at it. I guess it does have my schooling and occupation listed but that's not exactly super secret info I'm trying to hide from anybody...
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Basically, I give out my credit information to any/all entities that require it. Whether it be for rent, car payments, job, etc., I am more than happy to let you see my spending habits so you can make an informed decision about whether I am the right person to hire or do business with.

If you want to pry into my private life, then we will not be doing business today, and I most certainly will not be seeking employment with you. I have nothing to hide, but I have to draw a line somewhere, and THIS is taking a giant leap over that line.

I hope this crashes and burns, and I REALLY hope the person that came up with this idea burns in the pits of hell. Why? Because this is monetizing/juding the actions of people, which should be between them and God (if they believe in God).

If credit information or deposits are not enough of a gauge as to how responsible or reliable the person may be, then there are far worse problems that we as humans need to work on before implementing a system of judgement based real or fabricated computer data. I will never let an employer have access to assets in my personal life. They can have public records of information, my SSN, my credit report, and that's it. If that's not enough, get lost.

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Edited by Mad Pistol - 6/11/16 at 8:14pm
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I'm not sure what info there is in a FB account that would give prospective landlords or employers any real advantage in weeding out individuals? If they looked at my FB, for instance, they would see a bunch of pictures of my bike and my daughter and that's about it. I rarely ever even post there so have at it. I guess it does have my schooling and occupation listed but that's not exactly super secret info I'm trying to hide from anybody...

From that little bit of information you have posted a psychologist, like my brother, will be able to create a profile of you.

 

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Basically, I give out my credit information to any/all entities that require it. Whether it be for rent, car payments, job, etc., I am more than happy to let you see my spending habits so you can make an informed decision about whether I am the right person to hire or do business with.

If you want to pry into my private life, then we will not be doing business today, and I most certainly will not be seeking employment with you. I have nothing to hide, but I have to draw a line somewhere, and THIS is taking a giant leap over that line.

I hope this crashes and burns, and I REALLY hope the person that came up with this idea burns in the pits of hell. Why? Because this is monetizing/juding the actions of people, which should be between them and God (if they believe in God).

If credit information or deposits are not enough of a gauge as to how responsible or reliable the person may be, then there are far worse problems that we as humans need to work on before implementing a system of judgement based real or fabricated computer data. I will never let an employer have access to assets in my personal life. They can have public records of information, my SSN, my credit report, and that's it. If that's not enough, get lost.

/rant

They believe in the gods called money and total and absolute control and domination.

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But he is wrong.

And wrong.

And also right wrong.


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Why are you ok with a disgusting shortcut when a much simpler method has existed for ages? Demand two months rent in advance (three at most), which count as payment for the first month and a reserve if you don't pay subsequent months. If by the agreed date on any subsequent month you don't pay the rent, the landlord has more than enough time to evict you and not lose money. The eviction lawsuit should be modernised in the countries where it still hasn't in order to speed up the process so that this works. You don't take shortcuts, you just need to make the system better, not go backwards.

This whole low cost mentality where people will let go of anything in order to get a plate of soup is going to cost society dearly in the end. And as always, it's the poorer people that will suffer the most. Rich people will buy the house and keep their privacy.

And for jobs (the other project this startup has) there are letters of recommendation from your previous employer. First time employees will always be a risk that is only mitigated by your resume to a certain point (what school / college you attended, if you were a good student, etc), it's not by giving away everybody's privacy that you solve that problem, it's just something that you have to account for as an inherent risk in life.

Oh. Have you ever evicted someone? Probably not because you would know its near impossible.

You have to get a court order for an eviction. That means that you not only have to show that they have not paid (which is actually very difficult to do because it ends up becoming the court has to believe that you did not pocket the money), but then generally the court will try to beat around the bush and stall to give the tenant more time.

Then once you are permitted to give the eviction notice, the tenant can challenge the eviction in court which could take months.

So yeah. If I can show that some shmuck has a vacation in mexico before paying me rent, it could save MONTHS of time in court and a heck of a lot of paper work too.
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Oh. Have you ever evicted someone? Probably not because you would know its near impossible.

You have to get a court order for an eviction. That means that you not only have to show that they have not paid (which is actually very difficult to do because it ends up becoming the court has to believe that you did not pocket the money), but then generally the court will try to beat around the bush and stall to give the tenant more time.

Then once you are permitted to give the eviction notice, the tenant can challenge the eviction in court which could take months.

So yeah. If I can show that some shmuck has a vacation in mexico before paying me rent, it could save MONTHS of time in court and a heck of a lot of paper work too.

That's after the fact that he already got the lease.
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If it ever came to pass that I needed to grant access to a facebook profile to get a job or a place to live I would probably finally be motivated enough to sign up for facebook. That profile however would be some idealized version of me with nothing controversial in it, with a solid work history at respectable companies, and with glowing testimonials from former landlords. There would be absolutely nothing personal in it. I would be a non denominational religious person, but not too religious. It would show that I volunteer at a puppy rescue shelter regularly. It would show that I enjoy an active healthy lifestyle without being one of those crazy exercise nuts.

You know it wouldn't surprise me if there are professionals who you can hire to build a perfect and believable facebook profile with perfect friends to boot.
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