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There is absolutely no way this will find its way to become legal.
Look how many types of insurance are mandatory. Insurance companies are so large that they're often engaged as consultants to our government and to the federal reserve.

Most people rent, and rental companies are quickly getting merged or otherwise consolidated like any other crucial service such as banking, insurance or utilities.

Is it that hard to imagine that consumers will have less choices for housing in the future? We've been consistently trending in that direction.

And as far as rental companies go, we have a trending decrease in options there too. So if this type of privacy loss benefits insurers and housers, a collective resistance amongst the people needing housing will be the only deterrent.

Don't expect to see that kind of coordination amongst the current or coming generations of first worlders. Cheaper housing and cheaper insurance are going to be offered for an exchange of privacy. We live in a debt based society, where ownership is a concept that holds no value to most people. Having real ownership of a house is becoming ever-more difficult, because the markets are saturated in places where you can make a living. They're saturated by the entire world; corporations and foreign investors who know the value of investing in the thing people need most: homes.

Privacy is an easy thing to convince weak minded people to give away. They're so often in no position to bargain, already, anyway.
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post #52 of 66
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And they wonder why social media use is on the decline.


it became big in the first place only due to people who needed a public stage to shove their stupidity into other's faces.

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If you want to pry into my private life, then we will not be doing business today, and I most certainly will not be seeking employment with you. I have nothing to hide, but I have to draw a line somewhere, and THIS is taking a giant leap over that line.

I hope this crashes and burns, and I REALLY hope the person that came up with this idea burns in the pits of hell. Why? Because this is monetizing/juding the actions of people, which should be between them and God (if they believe in God).

If credit information or deposits are not enough of a gauge as to how responsible or reliable the person may be, then there are far worse problems that we as humans need to work on before implementing a system of judgement based real or fabricated computer data. I will never let an employer have access to assets in my personal life. They can have public records of information, my SSN, my credit report, and that's it. If that's not enough, get lost.

/rant

this.

it makes me shudder that getting things like jobs and apartment could become tied to having a social bs account anyone can look up. startups like this must be nipped in the bud before they could become accepted because of the above mentioned stupidity of people (" oh it's nothing special, just things i share anyway"...)
Edited by Pirx - 6/13/16 at 2:35am
post #53 of 66
There is a big problem with this idea, what if someone(me for instance) do not have account on any of those sites? biggrin.gif
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neither do i. well they could prefer someone else who plays by their rules. tbh, as an employer, i'd rather employ someone who uses to keep his stuff for himself. the idea in itself is very questionable, but must be kept from taking off because it would force everyone to have a visible online profile, even if you avoid such intrusive sites like the plague.
post #55 of 66
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There is absolutely no way this will find its way to become legal.

All sorts of discrimination is illegal and all sorts of discrimination still occurs as a matter of course.

When an employer or landlord doesn't want someone around, there are a thousand ways to make sure a position or tenancy goes to someone else.
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All sorts of discrimination is illegal and all sorts of discrimination still occurs as a matter of course.

When an employer or landlord doesn't want someone around, there are a thousand ways to make sure a position or tenancy goes to someone else.
This is why I get annoyed when people scream at the top of their lungs to make discrimination illegal. You cannot enforce laws against discrimination.

Discrimination is actually a valid tool. All individuals exhibit traits of groups. Grouping based on ethnic traits is no less valid than grouping based on favorite hair styles. There are probabilities that can be derived from this type of active discrimination that cannot and never will be ignored, regardless of legality. The only thing that determines the validity of discrimination is the determination you've made, not the tool of discrimination itself.

Insurance companies make use of discrimination, sometimes resulting in price differences based on gender and age. Politicians use it while they campaign. Facebook uses it to decide what political content to feed you, even if it occurs naturally out of some algorithm they've written. It's all discrimination. As an individual it's detestable to pay more for insurance because of your gender; as an insurer, it's genius and arguably fair.

The results of your discrimination are dependent upon the accuracy and your actual intent. Intent cannot be proven, and making inaccurate choices within the field of discrimination simply cannot be a crime. Right now we have a problem with widespread bloodthirst and witch hunting for mere individuals who discriminate based on certain characteristics that the public feels the need to accept. Most of the desire to defend these groups comes from prevalent prejudices held in the past, which have actually more or less undone themselves already anyway and are subsequently moot.

It's far more pertinent to protect individuals from a breach of privacy than an act of discrimination, for these reasons. This remains true until protection of privacy is so uncommon that it, itself, is cause for suspicion. That's how bad things were leading up to the American revolution, and that's where we're quickly headed now. Economic and power consolidation issues, along with general depravity ushered in by a lacking capacity to mitigate such threats within the population's majority, make it extremely difficult to keep it all from degrading even further. People don't understand the value of privacy. They're fundamentally incapable of distinguishing fruitless "movements" from fruitful ones. The more effort it takes to understand the importance of something, the less likely people will treat it as such.
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This is why I get annoyed when people scream at the top of their lungs to make discrimination illegal. You cannot enforce laws against discrimination.

Discrimination is actually a valid tool. All individuals exhibit traits of groups. Grouping based on ethnic traits is no less valid than grouping based on favorite hair styles. There are probabilities that can be derived from this type of active discrimination that cannot and never will be ignored, regardless of legality. The only thing that determines the validity of discrimination is the determination you've made, not the tool of discrimination itself.

Insurance companies make use of discrimination, sometimes resulting in price differences based on gender and age. Politicians use it while they campaign. Facebook uses it to decide what political content to feed you, even if it occurs naturally out of some algorithm they've written. It's all discrimination. As an individual it's detestable to pay more for insurance because of your gender; as an insurer, it's genius and arguably fair.

The results of your discrimination are dependent upon the accuracy and your actual intent. Intent cannot be proven, and making inaccurate choices within the field of discrimination simply cannot be a crime. Right now we have a problem with widespread bloodthirst and witch hunting for mere individuals who discriminate based on certain characteristics that the public feels the need to accept. Most of the desire to defend these groups comes from prevalent prejudices held in the past, which have actually more or less undone themselves already anyway and are subsequently moot.

It's far more pertinent to protect individuals from a breach of privacy than an act of discrimination, for these reasons. This remains true until protection of privacy is so uncommon that it, itself, is cause for suspicion. That's how bad things were leading up to the American revolution, and that's where we're quickly headed now. Economic and power consolidation issues, along with general depravity ushered in by a lacking capacity to mitigate such threats within the population's majority, make it extremely difficult to keep it all from degrading even further. People don't understand the value of privacy. They're fundamentally incapable of distinguishing fruitless "movements" from fruitful ones. The more effort it takes to understand the importance of something, the less likely people will treat it as such.

And this is how real life works.
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You discuss this system as a tool in discrimination. Have you ever considered that it could have an adverse effect? That this would increase lender confidence when lending to people, such as blacks who are high-risk renters, but with such a system where lenders are given more information could break free from that problem.
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Maybe but in the process the people who avoid these sites like the plague would become high risk elements. And i definitely do not want and will use any of those sites that's for sure.
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trust your instincts guys,

i allowed 3 frat boys into my crib for a year, ended up with bodily fluids on the ceilings, and my ceilings are 15ft.... frequent cop visits, noise complaints...

I checked facebook before signing lease, i knew this was going to happen, but being the good liberal i was, i trusted them....

oh yea this was with a real estate agency.
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