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I have an Asrock USB 3.1 panel that I payed about $60 dollars for when it was first released. See link below. The problem is that the SATA express cable that it came with is to short to reach my motherboard in my STH10. I looked everywhere for a longer cord, but SATA express cables are almost non existent. It is a very solidly built front panel. Very heavy aluminum, but I don't like that it uses a 5.25 inch drive bay. Regardless, my motherboard has rear USB 3.1 connections so it's only a minor inconvenience.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/spec/card.asp?Model=Front%20USB%203.1%20Panel

The only thing I don't like about the Asrock panel is it needs a USB 2.0 header, supposedly for power, in addition to a SATA power cable and a SATA Express connection. I can't spare the two USB 2.0 ports and I also fail to see the reason for getting power from a USB 2.0 header instead of directly from the PSU.
     
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Can the tiny Type C plugs be plugged in as firmly as the standard A connectors?

I've actually only used a USB type A to USB type C adapter so far. A USB C thumb drive does fit into the Type C end of the adapter quite snuggly with a bit of a snap.
     
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If the front I/O panels had Type C connectors that had another connector behind them instead of a cable, one could use the length and type of cable needed. For example, one could use a longer Type A to Type C cable to pass through to the Type A USB3.1 Gen 2 connectors now found on the rear I/O panel of many MOBOs now. Later, when MOBOs come out with actual USB 3.1 Gen 2 headers, one could just swap the existing cable with a header cable, again choosing the most appropriate length.

Also, if you designed your front I/O panels to also be modular, one could pick and choose which ports they needed on that panel.
Just pointing out MSI announced/released an X99 board with a Type-C header right around when you posted that (the Godlike Gaming Carbon, if I remember right). I've only seen it on a couple of other boards since, so it's slow but steady. That said, while your reasoning is sound enough, you need to remember that you're addressing CaseLabs here. Even if they wanted to, I doubt they'd be able to retool and re-release their front I/O panels to all have a Type-C port by the end of the year. Patience is more of a virtue with this particular company than just about any other; the amount of time it takes between them teasing a case and the case coming to market should attest to that.
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If the front I/O panels had Type C connectors that had another connector behind them instead of a cable, one could use the length and type of cable needed. For example, one could use a longer Type A to Type C cable to pass through to the Type A USB3.1 Gen 2 connectors now found on the rear I/O panel of many MOBOs now. Later, when MOBOs come out with actual USB 3.1 Gen 2 headers, one could just swap the existing cable with a header cable, again choosing the most appropriate length.

Also, if you designed your front I/O panels to also be modular, one could pick and choose which ports they needed on that panel.
Just pointing out MSI announced/released an X99 board with a Type-C header right around when you posted that (the Godlike Gaming Carbon, if I remember right). I've only seen it on a couple of other boards since, so it's slow but steady. That said, while your reasoning is sound enough, you need to remember that you're addressing CaseLabs here. Even if they wanted to, I doubt they'd be able to retool and re-release their front I/O panels to all have a Type-C port by the end of the year. Patience is more of a virtue with this particular company than just about any other; the amount of time it takes between them teasing a case and the case coming to market should attest to that.

That horse has already been beaten to death. Do you have a link for the MSI announcement?
     
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That horse has already been beaten to death. Do you have a link for the MSI announcement?
Just felt it was worth reiterating. I'll do one better, the board's been available for a little while now, and fair warning, it's VERY expensive: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130921 Header visible in this pic between the USB 3.0 headers: https://www.techpowerup.com/img/16-05-13/78c.jpg I'd embed that, but their webmaster doesn't really like us embedding their pics that much. Edit; I should clarify, too, that it's not really a proper header, just an internal port, since a proper header doesn't exist yet... if it ever will (haven't heard anything about it).
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If the front I/O panels had Type C connectors that had another connector behind them instead of a cable, one could use the length and type of cable needed. For example, one could use a longer Type A to Type C cable to pass through to the Type A USB3.1 Gen 2 connectors now found on the rear I/O panel of many MOBOs now. Later, when MOBOs come out with actual USB 3.1 Gen 2 headers, one could just swap the existing cable with a header cable, again choosing the most appropriate length.

Also, if you designed your front I/O panels to also be modular, one could pick and choose which ports they needed on that panel.
Just pointing out MSI announced/released an X99 board with a Type-C header right around when you posted that (the Godlike Gaming Carbon, if I remember right). I've only seen it on a couple of other boards since, so it's slow but steady. That said, while your reasoning is sound enough, you need to remember that you're addressing CaseLabs here. Even if they wanted to, I doubt they'd be able to retool and re-release their front I/O panels to all have a Type-C port by the end of the year. Patience is more of a virtue with this particular company than just about any other; the amount of time it takes between them teasing a case and the case coming to market should attest to that.

That horse has already been beaten to death. Do you have a link for the MSI announcement?

Was this the one you were referring to? http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-x99a-pro-carbon-motherboard,31791.html If so, according to Tom's Hardware,

"MSI announced its new X99A Gaming Pro Carbon motherboard and claimed that it has the "world’s first" front USB 3.1 Type-C header. The new header can connect just one USB 3.1 Gen 1 Type-C port on the front of the case."

If so, big, fat, hairy deal! USB 3.1 Gen1 is actually what was formerly called USB 3.0 and runs only up to 5.0Gbps. USB 3.1 Gen 2 is the one that runs at 10Gbps. According to Tom's (assuming they are correct), the only Gen 2 ports on that board are on the rear.

For some reason that defies reason, the standard was changed in 2015 to rename USB 3.0 (5Gbps) to USB 3.1 Gen 1, which can have either Type A or Type C connectors, and rename USB 3.1 (10Gbps) to USB 3.1 Gen 2, which can also have either Type A or Type C connectors. I would love to have a "discussion" with the "geniuses" who came up with that "bright" idea. So far, all that has done is create confusion many unscrupulous manufacturers have used to tout exaggerated claims for 5.0Gbps accessories, passing them as Gen 2.

Edit: you replied as I was composing this post. The Newegg listing isn't the same one as in the Tom's report. Neither the MSI overview or the specs header on the Newegg page say anything about a USB 3.1 Gen 2 front panel port header nor is the header shown in the photo you linked on the board shown in the Newegg listing (it does show in the photo in the Tom's report; mayhap the Tom's report is full of baloney). Do you have a link to the techpowerup.com report? I couldn't find it on their site.
     
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Edit: you replied as I was composing this post. The Newegg listing isn't the same one as in the Tom's report. Neither the MSI overview or the specs header on the Newegg page say anything about a USB 3.1 Gen 2 front panel port header nor is the header shown in the photo you linked on the board shown in the Newegg listing (it does show in the photo in the Tom's report; mayhap the Tom's report is full of baloney). Do you have a link to the techpowerup.com report? I couldn't find it on their site.
TPU link: https://www.techpowerup.com/221359/msi-announces-the-x99a-godlike-gaming-carbon-motherboard
MSI: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X99A-GODLIKE-GAMING-CARBON.html#hero-specification
I had to read a bit more carefully than usual to notice they didn't change the spec of the internal port from the Gaming Pro Carbon to the Godlike, so it's still 5Gbps. It IS still pinned out for Type-C, which is the point, but it also means it can only be used for that singular purpose (and slightly mitigates the incentive to have a front port on cases in general this year). Then again, X99 has no native Thunderbolt support so you can't carry it over Type-C ports without a third-party controller if you were going to do that, anyway. Best to wait for the next generation of enthusiast boards, I suppose.
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Edit: you replied as I was composing this post. The Newegg listing isn't the same one as in the Tom's report. Neither the MSI overview or the specs header on the Newegg page say anything about a USB 3.1 Gen 2 front panel port header nor is the header shown in the photo you linked on the board shown in the Newegg listing (it does show in the photo in the Tom's report; mayhap the Tom's report is full of baloney). Do you have a link to the techpowerup.com report? I couldn't find it on their site.
TPU link: https://www.techpowerup.com/221359/msi-announces-the-x99a-godlike-gaming-carbon-motherboard
MSI: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/X99A-GODLIKE-GAMING-CARBON.html#hero-specification
I had to read a bit more carefully than usual to notice they didn't change the spec of the internal port from the Gaming Pro Carbon to the Godlike, so it's still 5Gbps. It IS still pinned out for Type-C, which is the point, but it also means it can only be used for that singular purpose (and slightly mitigates the incentive to have a front port on cases in general this year). Then again, X99 has no native Thunderbolt support so you can't carry it over Type-C ports without a third-party controller if you were going to do that, anyway. Best to wait for the next generation of enthusiast boards, I suppose.

The board you just linked still doesn't show the alleged USB 3.1 Gen 2 port shown in the earlier photo you linked. Something else I noticed is MSI is still using the now outdated (and should still be current, as far as I'm concerned, the idiotic new standard be hanged!) USB 3.0 designation.

The Haswell-e rig I'm building (I'm still working on the scratch build case) will be the last one for me for quite some time since I'm sticking with Win 7 for as long as I can, despite the stumbling blocks miserable, misbegotten MS (may they roast!) keeps throwing at me (after which I'm moving to Linux). I'm going to try to get the USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type A ports on the back of the ASUS X99 WS/USB 3.1 I'm going to use moved to "front" Type C ports using a pass through arrangement much like many cases did when USB 3.0 first came out with ports only on the rear.
     
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I finally found the correct links. The TechPowerUp announcement for the X99A GAMING PRO CARBON was back in May and is found here: https://www.techpowerup.com/222443/msi-announces-the-x99a-gaming-pro-carbon-motherboard

Here it is on MSI's website: https://us.msi.com/Motherboard/X99A-GAMING-PRO-CARBON.html#hero-overview

This is the board on Newegg: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130934&cm_re=X99A_GAMING_PRO_CARBON-_-13-130-934-_-Product

I can't find anything that puts the port on the front panel like Asrock and ASUS have done.
     
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Wait, I was only ever referring to the Godlike Gaming Carbon, not the Gaming Pro Carbon. The internal port is in the same place on that board, though, between the USB 3.0/Type-A headers. Edit; here's the pic of it from the page you linked: https://asset.msi.com/global/picture/image/feature/mb/RWD_Img/X99/usbfront_TypeC02.jpg
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The board you just linked still doesn't show the alleged USB 3.1 Gen 2 port shown in the earlier photo you linked. Something else I noticed is MSI is still using the now outdated (and should still be current, as far as I'm concerned, the idiotic new standard be hanged!) USB 3.0 designation.

The Haswell-e rig I'm building (I'm still working on the scratch build case) will be the last one for me for quite some time since I'm sticking with Win 7 for as long as I can, despite the stumbling blocks miserable, misbegotten MS (may they roast!) keeps throwing at me (after which I'm moving to Linux). I'm going to try to get the USB 3.1 Gen 2 Type A ports on the back of the ASUS X99 WS/USB 3.1 I'm going to use moved to "front" Type C ports using a pass through arrangement much like many cases did when USB 3.0 first came out with ports only on the rear.
I assumed it was Gen 2 when I showed it, I corrected myself in my previous post. They have actually updated their port designations in the specs, which I linked.

You might be happy to know that they changed course again and will fully support future Intel hardware on Win7 until the general commercial support deadline in 2020. Upgrade away. tongue.gif
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