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Originally Posted by T1A1 View Post


R9 290X was:
Core Clock 727MHz
Boost Clock 1000MHz

R9 290X cannot sustain 1000MHz after 20min. - BIG noise! Condemn!

Wut?

When did this happen? When all of those semi-brain damaged reviewers were burning up 290x's because they didn't know how to change a fan profile?
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post #12 of 42
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Regardless of what you do or don't expect, that is not how GPU Boost works. At no point did NVIDIA promise that Boost clocks can be held at all times, even under LN2 the clock speed dynamically adjusts to extract the maximum performance at a given time. The alternative would be no GPU Boost and the card just sitting at 1,607 MHz all day with the (up to) 126 MHz potentially available within the predifnited limits not being used and going to waste. It's easy to dismiss GPU Boost if you don't understand how it works, so this isn't an attack on you.

Don't get me wrong I don't like Boost on any AMD or Nvidia card. I know exactly how boost works, doesn't mean I have to like it.

What you are saying earlier is that anything over the base boost clock is a bonus.

Ok then fine, reviewers should lock the cards at that speed of around 1733mhz and test them at that.

Then depending on cooling and case configuration the rest will be a bonus. Makes sense to me.

Then the reviews won't have unrealistic and skewed performance numbers, in my opinion it's false advertising for the cards.

So now that little bit of OC headroom left on cards is being eaten up by boost, and they are charging you for it. Not sure how you can be happy about it. Not to mention it can't even hold those clocks.............
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R9 290X cannot sustain 1000MHz after 20min. - BIG noise! Condemn!
GTX 1080 cannot sustain 1733 MHz after (even less minutes) - No, there is explanation, no big deal?

Interesting point, this is because their is a much larger forgiveness for Nvidia each time they do something that is garbage.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/9/16 at 6:10am
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"bitcoin miner"

LOL thanks for the laugh. Mining cryptocurrencies on VGA's has been dead since the launch of ASICS and similar. Not to menton that cryptocurrencies are also nothing like before.

That isn't entirely true, I'm mining on AMD cards literally as I type this. Bitcoin GPU mining might be dead, as well as Litecoin and many other altcoins, but there are normally profitable altcoins at any given time. Right now I'm mining Ethereum.
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We are in agreement then that AMD cards continue to deliver performance well past Nvidia cards of the same vintage. The logical conclusion is that AMD cards provide far better value over the ownership period than Nvidia card because the lowered tiered cards from AMD are priced far below Nvidia's upper end cards (i.e 290x vs Titan, etc) and with continued support these cards would likely match or exceed Nvidia's high end cards that are on a "rental performance period" which is subject to Nvidia's whims (since there is no written warranty provided by Nvidia regarding the driver optimization support period). Regarding the price increases, a mid range card is a mid range card, no matter the performance relative to last gen cards, as that comparison is irrelevant.

AMD is providing value by giving you the performance that was there to begin with, but inaccessible due to poor drivers. If NVIDIA's drivers are efficient to begin with, there simply isn't the possibility of unleashing added performance with a new driver.

I am of the firm opinion that if AMD could write brilliant drivers first time round they would be ahead of NVIDIA most of the time.
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That isn't entirely true, I'm mining on AMD cards literally as I type this. Bitcoin GPU mining might be dead, as well as Litecoin and many other altcoins, but there are normally profitable altcoins at any given time. Right now I'm mining Ethereum.
AMD is providing value by giving you the performance that was there to begin with, but inaccessible due to poor drivers. If NVIDIA's drivers are efficient to begin with, there simply isn't the possibility of unleashing added performance with a new driver.

I am of the firm opinion that if AMD could write brilliant drivers first time round they would be ahead of NVIDIA most of the time.

Or, stated differently, Nvidia simply doesn't provide "future proof hardware" to begin with...
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We are in agreement then that AMD cards continue to deliver performance well past Nvidia cards of the same vintage. The logical conclusion is that AMD cards provide far better value over the ownership period than Nvidia card because the lowered tiered cards from AMD are priced far below Nvidia's upper end cards (i.e 290x vs Titan, etc) and with continued support these cards would likely match or exceed Nvidia's high end cards that are on a "rental performance period" which is subject to Nvidia's whims (since there is no written warranty provided by Nvidia regarding the driver optimization support period). Regarding the price increases, a mid range card is a mid range card, no matter the performance relative to last gen cards, as that comparison is irrelevant.

You make AMD cards sound like a worse deal. Pay full price now, for full performance in 3-4 years, when the card will be obsolete anyway.
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You make AMD cards sound like a worse deal. Pay full price now, for full performance in 3-4 years, when the card will be obsolete anyway.

You mustn't realise how far many nvidia cards have fallen behind over time then.
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You make AMD cards sound like a worse deal. Pay full price now, for full performance in 3-4 years, when the card will be obsolete anyway.

No, it's just a matter of "relative value" like everything... Lol
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Or, stated differently, Nvidia simply doesn't provide "future proof hardware" to begin with...

Why do people on any computer harddware forums think you can every buy hardware that's future proof? Its like asking time to standstill wink.gif
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You make AMD cards sound like a worse deal. Pay full price now, for full performance in 3-4 years, when the card will be obsolete anyway.

But that is an issue with AMD. Their hardware is great but their software development team has not always been up to snuff. This is one of the major negative item that weights on the back of a buyer when they go out to purchase a nVidia GPU vs a AMD GPU.
Edited by Rei86 - 6/9/16 at 6:17am
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...stuff...
NVIDIA themselves have said, four years ago already, that GPU Boost does NOT guarantee a constant clock speed, instead scaling dynamically.

And please, I challenge you, find me any post made I made anywhere on the internet complaining about any card from either company not maintaining its boost speed. I'm being very fair here as while NVIDIA does list their base and boost speeds, AMD does not list the base frequency on the product page. In fact when Anand reviewed the card they had to guess that 727 MHz was the base frequency:
But go ahead, find where I'm being unfair towards AMD by crucifying them for it. If you want I'll send you a list of all aliases I use online to assist your search.

NO, some of your comments (one of which)...
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...stuff...
I've yet to come across a GTX 1080 that throttles. If you're talking about not boosting to 1,733 MHz at all times, well that's exactly how GPU Boost has worked since the GeForce 600 series and is not throttling. It's performance ABOVE the base clock speed. Should the frequency drop below 1,607 MHz then yes, it's throttling....stuff....
...along with the Nvidia statement of Boost clock: Actual 1733MHz on their site, along with my hot blood, triggered an overreaction redface.gif. It was a misunderstanding on my part, for which, I hereto officially Apologize! cheers.gif

I will now, put my paper bag of shame and go quietly in the corner hypocritesmiley.png
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NO, some of your comments (one of which)...
...along with the Nvidia statement of Boost clock: Actual 1733MHz on their site, along with my hot blood, triggered an overreaction redface.gif. It was a misunderstanding on my part, for which, I hereto officially Apologize! cheers.gif

I will now, put my paper bag of shame and go quietly in the corner hypocritesmiley.png

So technically speaking they are not throttling, but let's face it the results are skewed to trick the mainstream (and even enthusiast) consumers.

It's garbage. As technology progresses so does the trickery and marketing to take people's money.
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Why do people on any computer harddware forums think you can every buy hardware that's future proof? Its like asking time to standstill wink.gif

That could be their new slogan, 'Technology that can make time stand still whilst the competition wilts like a dead flower' lol
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/9/16 at 6:22am
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