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Oy vey. children. stop fighting. lol. Generally for a AIO if you dont plan on doing a whole system watercooling ( especially not a good idea in that case ) I'd pick up a Corsair H100i or one of corsairs many 240mm AIO's They have quite a selection now. If you really want it to match your system Deepcool's Gamer Storm Captain 240 White and black AIO might fit your look a bit better. If you want to wait a bit Deepcool will be coming out with a white radiator and black fan version AIO soon. it was just announced at computex and its what im waiting to buy and install.

Why would anyone possibly settle for a Corsair or DeepCool when the Swiftech and EK are around? Unless you have a fetish for the sound of vacuum cleaners and hair dryers.....in which case, hey, I'm not judging.....but you may want to seek help. tongue.gif
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Why would anyone possibly settle for a Corsair or DeepCool when the Swiftech and EK are around? Unless you have a fetish for the sound of vacuum cleaners and hair dryers.....in which case, hey, I'm not judging.....but you may want to seek help. tongue.gif

Because unless you plan to do whole system watercooling or upgrade within that AIO system they arent worth the extra money and depending in the AIO the ones you can build upon actually have worse temps then the non-upgradeable AIO's depending on the model. EK's one does worse by a solid couple degrees and swiftech has been roughly the same though i havent seen as many reviews. Dont get me wrong the temps are still bounds better then any air cooler but if the person doesnt plan or want to do whole system watercooling then what is the point? Especially in a case like he has where air is generally the better option due to lack of options in cooling.
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CLCs only cool better if you don't care about noise, and then only marginally (couple of degrees) when compared to air coolers... Once noise becomes a factor there is really no reason to consider a CLC, and if price matters then there's still no competition with EKs and Swiftech's offerings, which offer all of the "conveniences" of a CLC with much higher quality components ant the ability to expand beyond the CPU, where most users will spend additional $20-$30 on fans that don't run at >60db.

IMO CLCs are only worth the money if you like that aesthetic and don't care about performance or noise, which is in and of itself an unfortunate ethic.
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CLCs only cool better if you don't care about noise, and then only marginally (couple of degrees) when compared to air coolers... Once noise becomes a factor there is really no reason to consider a CLC, and if price matters then there's still no competition with EKs and Swiftech's offerings, which offer all of the "conveniences" of a CLC with much higher quality components ant the ability to expand beyond the CPU, where most users will spend additional $20-$30 on fans that don't run at >60db.

IMO CLCs are only worth the money if you like that aesthetic and don't care about performance or noise, which is in and of itself an unfortunate ethic.

Unless you are letting the fans run at 100% 24/7 they arent going to be that loud especially if you set up the fan curves yourself. such a harsh mentality vs CLC. they are very solid and can be very quiet, just dont run them at 100% all the time. if thats what you do to all your parts i feel bad for them.
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What ciarlatano and claes said is 100% correct.

@InverseTundra, you are not making sense, not at all. As a famous Vulcan said: "What you are saying is not logical." And “Insufficient facts always invite danger.”

True, Swiftech is more expensive.
But with the Swiftech you get a
quality pump moving many times a much coolant as the ultra cheap CLC pumps do,
quality fittings and hose
quality radiator that weights as much or more than CLC pump, waterblock, fittings, hose and coolant combined.
being open loop means
the ability to add coolant as need
the ability to expand the system as needed
the ability to change coolant as need
the ability to replace components as needed

And you get all of this for less than twice the cost of your cheap CLC that
is an all aluminum radiator with high fin density requiring high volumes of airflow to cool properly
is a pump that is just barely able to move enough coolant at full speed to keep it's cheap waterblock / CPU cool
in fact it is so weak it uses less power to move coolant then CLC fans use to move air
is a sealed system with no provision
to add coolant if need
to change components if needed
to expand system if needed
to change coolant as needed
A system that when
coolant level gets low the pump burns out and system fails
system fails you throw it away and send the other half of what a AIO like Swiftech costs to replace with another piece of garbage like you just had fail.

So where is the logic in spending half again to twice as much as a good air cooler costs on a piece of ultra-low quality over-hyped piece of junk CLC that is 2-4 times as loud as air cooler doing same job and dies in a couple of years instead of increasing your initial expense half again to twice as much and having a real water cooling system that will last much longer, can be repaired as needed and does it all as quiet as air coolers with more cooling ability available when needed?

Or are you such a CLC cultist / fanatic that all of the above truth and logic means only infuriates you. tongue.gif
Edited by doyll - 6/18/16 at 2:02am
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Unless you are letting the fans run at 100% 24/7 they arent going to be that loud especially if you set up the fan curves yourself. such a harsh mentality vs CLC. they are very solid and can be very quiet, just dont run them at 100% all the time. if thats what you do to all your parts i feel bad for them.

And when you lower the noise of CLCs, you lower the performance dramatically. How do you possibly not understand that? CLCs use highly inefficient aluminum rads and low flow pumps, and are built to be dependent on high rpm fans. (News Flash - this is because it is far cheaper to make high rpm fans than quality components to keep the old profit margins up...wake up, the coffee is ready). When you compare CLCs with quality air coolers at like noise levels, the air coolers have better performance. So, no, they can not be "very quiet" in terms of noise to performance. They are actually the worst solution in terms of noise/performance and price/performance. Look at what happens when you you test coolers in a build in a controlled environment without needing to worry about advertising revenue - huge noise differences, the Swiftechs humiliate the CLCs and the air comes out all around a better choice.


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That's not very fair - being mis or under-informed isn't really comparable to fanatical belief (and projecting fanaticism onto others begs the question...).
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That's not very fair - being mis or under-informed isn't really comparable to fanatical belief (and projecting fanaticism onto others begs the question...).
I think it is very fair to say many CLC owners are mis- or under-informed because of their fanatical belief in CLCs. tongue.gif
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Your graphs dont make much sense STILL. first disclaimer here. ive never run or bought a CLC. but ive seen the reviews and they are not that bad. the graphs you seem to be showing are at 100% fan speed. i dont know anyone who runs their system at 100% 24/7. again. im not seeing your argument here. sure better part quality. well then explain the horrid reviews they get from people on most websites. im not talking professional reviewers, im talking consumer, those reviews are almost always lower due to part failure over most CLC's from corsair and such. im really not one for arguing but your claims are kinda out there...
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You should review those graphs again... The second graph is absolute performance at 100% but the first graph is performance at 40db. Most reviews with a standard chassis test bed yield similar results... There's simply no place for CLCs in terms of either price/performance or noise/performance. Performance/price works out in some cases, but even then the trade offs beg to either save 200mhz for 10db or spend ~$30 more for an expandable loop with greater performance and longer life, particularly where users would spend that money on decent fans...
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