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I'm still trying to understand why those guys ended up also signing the NDA.
It has to be more than just a free sample, but getting into AMD's good graces maybe tongue.gif
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I find this better than nGreedia launching stuff on paper, sending ("modified") cards to reviewers and then you go to a shop to buy it and find out you have to wait another month before the actual cards reach the shops, find out reviews were in some way manipulated, drivers are not up to date yet either in those reviews, ... then stock arrives month later into shops and cards are sold out instantly because of how low the supply is and you gotta wait another month to buy the card.

I would rather have hard launch where everything is released on 1 day and when you get to the shop the cards are there for you to buy instantly. It also gives the opportunity for smaller reviewers that do not get free samples to go and buy their sample in a retail shop and do a proper independent review.

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One of their employees signed the NDA when they were offered samples from AMD, since they didn't have the sample they originally wanted yet the "dodo" signed it and ruined it for all.
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Wouldn't AMD make more money if the NDA lifted a week prior to launch for pre-orders to be open? I for one won't put money down till I see a review.

If it turns out bad, people that ordered it before reading reviews won't get them back wink.gif

I'm really starting to think this is just an overkill of specs and comparisons. Come on people, it was never double less money for same performance, never. And IF it beat the GTX1080 with xfire a month ago it seems like they got a working driver for it.

Why are they doing this, who knows. I've got enough money for the G1 GTX970 I was after and I think at the end I'm gonna spend it there.
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Doing what? They are stocking shops with cards so that when they release you can actually buy them. Reviews of reference cards are also only indicative and most will wait for proper AIB custom cooler cards anyway. We don't need reviews before shops open the doors, especially not reviews with beta drivers or modified cards.
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I find this better than nGreedia launching stuff on paper, sending ("modified") cards to reviewers and then you go to a shop to buy it and find out you have to wait another month before the actual cards reach the shops, find out reviews were in some way manipulated, drivers are not up to date yet either in those reviews, ... then stock arrives month later into shops and cards are sold out instantly because of how low the supply is and you gotta wait another month to buy the card.

I would rather have hard launch where everything is released on 1 day and when you get to the shop the cards are there for you to buy instantly. It also gives the opportunity for smaller reviewers that do not get free samples to go and buy their sample in a retail shop and do a proper independent review.

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One of their employees signed the NDA when they were offered samples from AMD, since they didn't have the sample they originally wanted yet the "dodo" signed it and ruined it for all.

We're gonna see the reference cards performance with a single 6pin connection. I think what most will do is overclock it (this is OCN after all), and there isn't a lot of headroom on the ref card. It's gonna take another month or two for aftermarket versions. And then again we wait for people to benchmark them too to see if they're worth the money. By that time people that need a new card are going to get them.
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Doing what? They are stocking shops with cards so that when they release you can actually buy them. Reviews of reference cards are also only indicative and most will wait for proper AIB custom cooler cards anyway. We don't need reviews before shops open the doors, especially not reviews with beta drivers or modified cards.

I, that have a faulty 270X for almost 3 months am in need of a new GPU. So yeah, the reviews are worth to me because I can't wait much longer. If I see the reviews and they show performance like the GTX970 for almost the same price I'd wonder why I waited for it and didn't go for the 970.
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Usually takes 1-2 weeks for custom designs, of course that depends on how soon the AIBs got the specs and could start to work on them.
Many leaks have been done anyway, everyone can guess what the performance of RX 480 is like. What we are still waiting for is a more accurate performance of 470 and 460. The 470 and 480 are going to lower the 2nd hand GPU prices a lot.

I don't like 970. 980 was overpriced and I'm still waiting for my ASUS 280x RMA to resolve. I wouldn't buy a 28nm GPU in 2016, no way. Unless it was dirt cheap second hand. 970 is still more expensive than what RX480 should cost. So you might actually get RX470 for half the price of 970... with similar performance and lower power need.
Edited by JackCY - 6/24/16 at 6:35am
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If it turns out bad, people that ordered it before reading reviews won't get them back wink.gif

I'm really starting to think this is just an overkill of specs and comparisons.

Why are they doing this, who knows. I've got enough money for the G1 GTX970 I was after and I think at the end I'm gonna spend it there.

Who pre-orders cards before reviews?

You may as well buy a Maxwell card if that's what you want with 3.5GB vram and poor DX12 support.

Most will buy the new tech so either an AMD 470/480 or 1070/1080 for higher end.

Overkill of specs and comparisons? All that has really been leaked are some game benches/gameplay and firestrike scores that align exactly where AMD said performance will be...............
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I think what most will do is overclock it (this is OCN after all), and there isn't a lot of headroom on the ref card. It's gonna take another month or two for aftermarket versions.

Distributors have stocks of the new AMD cards, this is not going to be a paper launch, they failed on the fury launch that way.

How do you know it will take a month or two for AIB cards to release? Seems odd considering cards and therefore chips are already in circulation.

Chip samples would've been given to AIBs ages ago so they could start building customised PCBs and coolers...............
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I, that have a faulty 270X for almost 3 months am in need of a new GPU. So yeah, the reviews are worth to me because I can't wait much longer. If I see the reviews and they show performance like the GTX970 for almost the same price I'd wonder why I waited for it and didn't go for the 970.

You'll get reviews upon release day I don't really see a problem honestly.
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Thing is G1 970 OC'd to ~1500MHz gets the performance of 980 with good drivers and support, it's a proven card that handles 1080p60Hz pretty well if we let out the 3.5GB fiasco. Trust me, I have a complete AMD system and am not a fanboy, mostly go bang-for-buck, but this pissed me off. It's not like they didn't have time for the RX's and Zen to make them. Put out 300 series almost the same as the 200 series. Seemed like nothing changes in AMD. Now, all they showed us is that they're using 16nm manufecturing process. But guys, lets face it, that's all they did so far. We have leaks everywhere and some show 390X and GTX980 performance and somewhere we see results under that.

The only thing that's gonna make this card really worth it if it overclocks well, either as "factory oc'd" or home overclocked. If we squeeze out somewhere near 980Ti on overclocks it's a great thing. But if the best it can do is 980 performance, it's not anything special. 970 can go that far with OC.

Please, don't get me wrong, we are on the same side here and it's just my opinion. We have a card that we have no idea how it will perform versus a card that's proven on the 1080p scene. Yes, the 3.5GB VRAM is a mess for it's performance level, but hey, it's not the end of the world if you pull your quality sliders down a bit.

Thing I'm afraid for RX480 are baby decieses, whether they'll support it well with software. You know, when I got my FX8320, it was really fine on paper. OC'd well in reality, got it stable to 4.8GHz, single core performance high and 8 of them to make a blast. But after all the benchmarking done, it hasn't proven itself in application and games. It goes behind those 4th series i5s and i7s. My R9 270X served me well for those couple of years, but can't say there wasn't trouble with it.

That's what I'm scared of. AMD proved itself more on paper and synthetic benchmarks than real life usage.

And again, guys, we are on the same side. We want more power for less money.
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Thing is G1 970 OC'd to ~1500MHz gets the performance of 980 with good drivers and support, it's a proven card that handles 1080p60Hz pretty well if we let out the 3.5GB fiasco. Trust me, I have a complete AMD system and am not a fanboy, mostly go bang-for-buck, but this pissed me off. It's not like they didn't have time for the RX's and Zen to make them. Put out 300 series almost the same as the 200 series. Seemed like nothing changes in AMD. Now, all they showed us is that they're using 16nm manufecturing process. But guys, lets face it, that's all they did so far. We have leaks everywhere and some show 390X and GTX980 performance and somewhere we see results under that.

The only thing that's gonna make this card really worth it if it overclocks well, either as "factory oc'd" or home overclocked. If we squeeze out somewhere near 980Ti on overclocks it's a great thing. But if the best it can do is 980 performance, it's not anything special. 970 can go that far with OC.

Products take a long time to develop, saying they've had time to release Zen and the Polaris GPU's is a little naive no offense.

Talking about the FX series and them rebranding the 300 series has no relevance at all in this discussion.

They've stated their release date, you desperately need a card I get it, then you should just buy something.

But remember you are buying old tech that has bad DX12 support and it'll age like crap honestly. Why do you think Nvidia improved it's DX12 performance with Pascal? They know things are shifting.

You're also expecting too much performance from Polaris if you think it should match a 980ti when overclocked, it's a $200 card, how much was the 980ti again?

To many buyers this will be quite a special card for the price, and a worthy upgrade from lower cards, like the 7870 you have.

If you can't afford a 1070 then I'd just be patient, it will pay off.
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