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Beautiful.


Hey uh guys, looks like I won't be on the conference call. Not sure why.
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Polaris will no doubt boost AMD's stocks after their next financial Q results and we get to see their improved marketshare, it's a smart and probably the only move AMD could do to get out of the hole they got in with their previous leadership.

I got out of AMD not long ago just before it went down from 4.90$ to 4.09$ after the announcement of Polaris, investors don't usually grasp the importance of a product release like this, I just made some cash and moved on, I will however Re-Enter when stocks drop even further after Polaris Launch, it might go as low as 3.90$, it'll only rise after that point when Polaris becomes a market success assuming Nvidia's GTX 1060s is as bad as its predecesor, which most likely is given the fact that Pascal is Maxwell ported into FinFet.

One thing that people seem to ignore is that Polaris RX 480 is no doubt an incredible upgrade to anyone running reference 290Xs, my reference 290 in my 2ndary ITX RIG is even worse than the 1080 Fools Edition, I can't even maintain 947MHz constantly unless I ramp up the fan to 100%, which sounds as bad as the 1080, I can't even hit stock clocks so forget about overclocking.

Current custom 390s sport 1050MHz stock and can overclock to 1100MHz easily, that alone is 15% extra performance over my reference 290 which puts things into perspective when you consider the fact that 15% is the same percentage difference between someone going from an Overclocked 980Ti to an Overclocked 1080, except this cost me 199$-219$ while it cost them near 900$, and this is assuming the RX 480 have the same performance of a custom 1100MHz 290, which is almost certainly not true and should be way above that.

If people with overclocked 980Tis/Titan X are willing to pay 900$ for 15% extra performance how come people with cards like the reference 290/290X shouldn't be expected to pay 199$ for 25% extra performance? That's not even counting the added ability of finally being able to overclock their cards and net even higher gains.

Plus P10 brings up a new command processor for the first time since GCN was designed, a new Geometry Processor and a Primitive discard accelerator.

Polaris 10 even if it's sporting the same RAW/Brute performance as a 1100MHz 290 it should in practice be way faster while gaming, especially on DX11 titles on which this new command processor should get rid of all API DX11 overhead, crushing my 290, and in Gameworks titles where Polaris should be faster than Maxwell when working on Tessellation.

This is yet to be proven by actual benchmarks and we will have everything confirmed in June 29th anyway, but saying a RX 480 isn't an upgrade for people with reference 290s/290X is foolish at best.
Edited by Dargonplay - 6/15/16 at 6:08pm
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Polaris will no doubt boost AMD's stocks after their next financial Q results and we get to see their improved marketshare, it's a smart and probably the only move AMD could do to get out of the hole they got in with their previous leadership.

I got out of AMD not long ago just before it went down from 4.90$ to 4.09$ after the announcement of Polaris, investors don't usually grasp the importance of a product release like this, I just made some cash and moved on, I will however Re-Enter when stocks drop even further after Polaris Launch, it might go as low as 3.90$, it'll only rise after that point when Polaris becomes a market success assuming Nvidia's GTX 1060s is as bad as its predecesor, which most likely is given the fact that Pascal is Maxwell ported into FinFet.

One thing that people seem to ignore is that Polaris RX 480 is no doubt an incredible upgrade to anyone running reference 290Xs, my reference 290 in my 2ndary ITX RIG is even worse than the 1080 Fools Edition, I can't even maintain 947MHz constantly unless I ramp up the fan to 100%, which sounds as bad as the 1080, I can't even hit stock clocks so forget about overclocking.

Current custom 390s sport 1050MHz stock and can overclock to 1100MHz easily, that alone is 15% extra performance over my reference 290 which puts things into perspective when you consider the fact that 15% is the same percentage difference between someone going from an Overclocked 980Ti to an Overclocked 1080, except this cost me 199$-219$ while it cost them near 900$, and this is assuming the RX 480 have the same performance of a custom 1100MHz 290, which is almost certainly not true and should be way above that.

If people with overclocked 980Tis/Titan X are willing to pay 900$ for 15% extra performance how come people with cards like the reference 290/290X shouldn't be expected to pay 199$ for 25% extra performance? That's not even counting the added ability of finally being able to overclock their cards and net even higher gains.

Plus P10 brings up a new command processor for the first time since GCN was designed, a new Geometry Processor and a Primitive discard accelerator.

Polaris 10 even if it's sporting the same RAW/Brute performance as a 1100MHz 290 it should in practice be way faster while gaming, especially on DX11 titles on which this new command processor should get rid of all API DX11 overhead, crushing my 290, and in Gameworks titles where Polaris should be faster than Maxwell when working on Tessellation.

This is yet to be proven by actual benchmarks and we will have everything confirmed in June 29th anyway, but saying a RX 480 isn't an upgrade for people with reference 290s/290X is foolish at best.

In new game I am sure Polaris will start to perform better. I just hope they have enough stock. Do not want to see prices go up like GTX1070/1080. I am not overpaying for a card where price is probably the biggest selling factor.
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If people with overclocked 980Tis/Titan X are willing to pay 900$ for 15% extra performance how come people with cards like the reference 290/290X shouldn't be expected to pay 199$ for 25% extra performance?

Because if we paid $550 (or more) 3 years ago for a 290x, we can surely wait to pay that and more for a Vega.

If this is AMD's $200 play I can't wait to see what their value proposition is at $600.
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Now what does that remind me of?



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Is that a 9700pro? I miss that card. Used to play wow on that.
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Is that a 9700pro? I miss that card. Used to play wow on that.

Yep. First DX9 card, tore the doors off everything else at the time.

I recall losing myself in Morrowind on that card.
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Beautiful.


He's still not learnt his lesson, and is basically threatening AMD by saying there won't be any coverage in Italy so good luck selling to customers while badmouthing Nvidia and continuing to leak info such as end time for the NDA and how many cards in Polaris and Vega lineup (this last bit is probably a guess though). I can't believe anyone is willing to work with this guy and his website.
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In new game I am sure Polaris will start to perform better. I just hope they have enough stock. Do not want to see prices go up like GTX1070/1080. I am not overpaying for a card where price is probably the biggest selling factor.

Just the opposite, in older more serial games Polaris will do best because of their optimized command processor, on newer more multithreaded DX12 games the gap will be much smaller between a 390X and a RX 480, Polaris should also do best in titles where there's a lot of Tes (Gameworks title) and geometry loads, it will probably be up to 40% faster than a 390 on these games., then in AOTS the difference between a 390x and a RX 480 should be minimal.
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He's still not learnt his lesson, and is basically threatening AMD by saying there won't be any coverage in Italy so good luck selling to customers while badmouthing Nvidia and continuing to leak info such as end time for the NDA and how many cards in Polaris and Vega lineup (this last bit is probably a guess though). I can't believe anyone is willing to work with this guy and his website.

I don't see any of that here, any links!?
Edited by Dargonplay - 6/15/16 at 10:00pm
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Yep. First DX9 card, tore the doors off everything else at the time.

I recall losing myself in Morrowind on that card.

Still have my 9700 non-pro that I pushed from stock 275/270 to 420/365, good old card other than I had a crap first-run core. Lots of the later ones did 450-500!

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