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Am I being trolled? I feel Im being trolled. The RX480 offers inbetween 390x/980 performance for 240ish dollars.GTX970s still cost 300ish dollars, and I highly doubt they are going to fall to under 200. Why on earth would anyone buy a 970? It costs more for less performance.

There are still plenty of GTX960 users. Plus AMD has stated their goal was to target users looking to spend around 200 on a video card. The most mainstream market. So users that previously had bought a 970 were already out of that category,
Which just proves my arguement more. They dont need to target the 970 price point because alot of those people arent going to budge anyways.

RX480 can offer between 390x/980 performance for $240 dollars all it wants.

The point is that the people that look to spend something over $300 on the market have literally nothing to buy, but to either settle with barely-an-upgrade-over-970 rx480 or add some more and make the jump to 1070. And statistics don't really lie, slightly over $300 segment have outgrown mainstream/value segment. That's what is disappointing about P10, all FUD aside.

Now, of course there 960 users, but these either know what they are doing or are dumb enough to not buy better alternative, so AMD can't count on those at all.
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AMD saving the best (490) for last???? Aint the 29th yet!
I gave up hope for a 490 any time soon after today frown.gif. I'll still be happily buying a 480, though. I've turned my rig into an HTPC recently and need a GPU. Hopefully they OC well smile.gif. Benchmarks can't come out soon enough.
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Now, of course there 960 users, but these either know what they are doing or are dumb enough to not buy better alternative, so AMD can't count on those at all.

 

What is your problem with the 960?  I got a 4G EVGA SC for $160 after rebate last year with free shipping.  I think it was a good deal.  Runs everything pretty much fine at 1080, runs F@H very well, quiet, low power.

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I am all good with the 480 being 390x/980 performance. If its better then its even more good. In my eyes the 480 is a upgrade for me to my 970. Since it will have more VRAM. Plus has DisplayPort 1.4 and HDR and other stuff. Eventually this will get moved from my arcade rig to my HTPC rig. But the real upgrade am looking at is the Vega card or Ti card.
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What is your problem with the 960?  I got a 4G EVGA SC for $160 after rebate last year with free shipping.  I think it was a good deal.  Runs everything pretty much fine at 1080, runs F@H very well, quiet, low power.

You are in the first category, mate. Because frankly, 960 was a terrible card for the price. Not as bad as 980 or Titan X, but bad nonetheless.
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But almost every 480 should be able to clock to near-1400mhz.

Because you want it to? There is no indication whatsoever of the overclocking ability of these cards yet.
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Even a stock 1070 will beat an OCed 480x, but it's within spitting distance. (no more than 7% by average framerate)

There is no 480X.
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The problem with Polaris 10 chips have been known for some time. The full chip is having horrible yields

As corroborated by which reliable source?
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I love AMD but if this "showing" wasn't the most worthless and informationless things I've ever seen I don't know what is. No numbers, no graphs, no performance showings...just "DERP here's da new gwafics and CPU durrrhhh"

Don't know if you've noticed but the entirety of E3 has become this.

I can't tell if the publishers think we're all just so stupid that we won't notice the lack of gameplay or if there are marketing analysts hyper-managing the productions, but all of the E3 demonstrations so far are offering less factual information about games than last year, which had less information than the year before, etc....
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Previous AMD comments mention polaris will be leveraged both down and up the stack.

There is a more powerful polaris chip, but many people, myself included, would be disuaded from picking up the 480 if a 250-300$ card that matched the 1070 was being tuned up. (Pro-Tip: it is)

The problem with Polaris 10 chips have been known for some time. The full chip is having horrible yields, What can AMD do but cut the chip down to increase clockspeed? Yes, as fabrication techniques improve, the full P10 chip will become available. But at this moment, it's a far better bet to clock a cut-down P10 at 1266Mhz than release a full P10 incapable of hitting 1Ghz... So some will wait for the 480X or the 490, which will take time to fix.

In the meantime, enjoy an OC'd 200$ card that competes with the 1070, will definitely have worse perf/watt due to this though, and it will probably run hot. The non-OC, full P10 would have been able to fully compete against the 1070 for 300-350$. Unfortunately it was a disaster, so we get a great cut-down P10 for 200$ until some kinks are patched up.

Prove that yields are bad.
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