Originally Posted by Waitng4realGPU
Nvidia is doing the same thing with it's 1080/1070 cards. Seems it's the trend to release things early so people know about them, way before they have ample supplies.
You're making many assumptions, supply assumptions (of which Nvidia are doing themselves)
Assumptions of the corporate culture of AMD, yet Lisa Su's leadership won't make things happen instantly.
It won't be the end of the world if the 1060m is out first, AMD is playing the catch up game and also the long game with their new architecture and console deals.
People like you expect things to happen in an instant and have a mind that you allow to be clouded in doubt instead of just seeing how it pans out. Things can change.
Supply issues might not be a problem this time around. They may deliver Zen enthusiast and APUs on time, but you've all but convinced yourself they won't.
AMD was also successful at many points in time, but you concentrate on every negative possible, I feel sorry for you.
They are not screwing up anything by rebranding mobile sector GPUs it's all they can physically do right now, as I've said they are playing the long game it's impossible to catch up instantly but they have done the groundwork now to do well over the next few years.
Your negativity is obvious that's why the other member of OCN called you out. You have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to AMD.
Yeah, me, the one who said that he'd love to buy a pair of 480s and crossfire them, has something against AMD. Right. I have nothing against AMD, I have bought their products before, and promoted them against intel/nvidia when they were doing well. I am just being realistic. We've seen AMD screw up time and time again. As you said, lisa su cant change everything immediately, so why should we assume AMD magically got their act together for polaris? You are assuming that a lot has changed at AMD, while simultaneously putting me down for thinking that change should have happened by now.
I remember how excited people got by bulldozer, abbut the 300 series, and the massive let down that followed. Yes, the 200 series was pretty good, and yes the 290/290x were amazing. But the 300 series was a massive let down.
I assume that zen wont be on time because either A.) AMD's product was on time and dissapointed, or B.) AMD's product was months late, almost a year late for low wattage kaveri, which hurt AMD badly. This has described every CPU AMD has made since late 2011, when bulldozer came out. Everyone here seems to assume none of this will happen again, which would take a major culture shift at AMD to achieve, which as you said, takes time.
As I've stated their new architecture can't magically be in every product line instantly, you are an armchair expert who knows little about realistic production times and product development.
Yeah, thats why nvidia has everything from the 950m to the 970m as Kepler, with only the 980m being maxwell. Oh wait, no, they are all maxwell. The 950m, 960m, 965m, 970m, and 980m. Even the 930 and 940m are maxwell. Only the 920m and below are older gens. But AMD is putting the mid range (950-960m level chips) out as old gens, and only the higher end (970m to 980m) level are getting polaris, unless they changed their minds and didnt tell anyone. Clearly, it is possible to do more then just the top line of chips, because nvidia has done it, and intel, excluding the broadwell chips, has done it. AMD did it with the 7000 series. Yet AMD cant do it now? I am being critical here, because AMD cannot survive on just a few GPUs and a bunch of rebrands. They proved that, with the 300 series that was dominated by nvidia and saw AMD drop to historic lows for market share.
If AMD wants to come out and prove themselves, release polaris and give us actual competition, I will be very happy. But until AMD actually does that, I will continue to be cynical, because they have let us down time and time again, and I simply dont see that changing anytime soon.Edited by GamerusMaximus - 6/15/16 at 9:26am