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ya and average joe layman wouldn't notice if there was no intel inside sticker

I don't know about that. My father doesn't know squat about computers and when I was trying to help him buy a new computer the Intel sticker is what he was looking for. No amount of explaining that his web browsing and my Moms Mahjong addiction didn't require a massive amount of CPU power could sway him. He spent about $400 more than he needed to because Consumer Reports or some similar website said that Intel is what he should get.
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What performance jump should one see if upgrading from a 270X to a RX480?

Double, or even more FPS, if you are not CPU restricted
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What performance jump should one see if upgrading from a 270X to a RX480?

If you want one, now would be the time to sell the 270X to someone who doesn't know new GPUs are coming biggrin.gif
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Bulldozer and the 300 series was a letdown. The new architecture is not the 300 series, Zen is not bulldozer.
And your proof? a couple leaked benchmarks with no consistency, from unverified sources, with shady setups? We have no idea if zen will be that good.
"The single-core performance on some floating-point applications is going to be mind-boggling
AMD says the server version of its Bulldozer chip should deliver 33 percent more cores and a 50 percent increase in "throughput" in the same power envelope as a 12-core Magny-Cours Opteron chip


That was bulldozer. Sound familiar?
Mark Papermaster, AMD’s Chief Technology Officer. Revealed that Zen will have a huge improvement in IPC, Instructions Per Clock, vs Excavator
According to AMD, Zen will deliver double the performance of their previous FX 8350

AMD has overhyped before, they made claims of huge performance gains with bulldozer, and it crashed hard. Zen may very well turn out to be a stinker. We wont know till it comes out, but claiming that it wont be another bulldozer is premature when we have seen nothing but amd's "benchmarks" and powerpoint slides.
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You are expecting way too much, and you are expecting failure.
No, i expect theme to compete. AMD needs to start making money soon. If polaris and zen are not big sellers, AMD is going to be in a lot of trouble. Re-badging gpus again is not competing. 28nm parts will not hold up against 16nm parts. I want competition, I dont want nvidia and intel to have monopolies, but what AMD has shown as competition in the past was about as competitive as a yugo was to the ford lineup. Their current lineup looks better, but this re badging is still not really competition to nvidia.
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What performance jump should one see if upgrading from a 270X to a RX480?
If the 480 claims hold up? over double performance. if they dont? still slightly over double performance worst case scenario. If it holds up to being on the 390x/980 level, and can OC well, it'll be worth the cash.
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Mistakes from the past are a valid indication of future form, but they are not a sentence, and definitely not a fixed confine.

Their drivers form of late is evidence of change. We just have to give them a chance, and not constantly rain their parade. They are showing all the good signs.


Open your minds a bit, will ya.
Edited by spyshagg - 6/15/16 at 10:03am
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And your proof? a couple leaked benchmarks with no consistency, from unverified sources, with shady setups? We have no idea if zen will be that good.

Don't ask for proof of why the optimism, when you can't prove they will fail. You are using 'proof' from bulldozer and rebranded 300 series, so I could use 'proof' of chips and GPu's from even earlier eras couldn't I? No difference. It's all not relevant.

AMD's claims for Zen are far different to the claims for bulldozer.

Of course AMD need to start making money soon, that's why they've made certain choices to what they will focus on releasing first.

Why don't you contact Lisa Su and tell her what she's doing wrong? I'm sure if she had the time she would explain to you how it works in reality, and that they can't compete at every level instantly due to many reasons. You're still carrying on about the mobile chips that aren't physically ready.

This re-branding of mobile parts in a best case scenario should only last 6-12 months. I'm sure they've gone over their business plan many times and are doing the best they can with what they have lol.

Is it that you think they are a bunch of bufoons just stuffing up things 'cos they AMD'?

I'm just not sure what you are actually expecting them to do, which would please you or give you some level of optimism about their future.
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Mistakes from the past are a valid indication of future form, but they are not a sentence, and definitely not a fixed confine.

Their drivers form of late is evidence of change. We just have to give them a chance, and not constantly rain their parade. They are showing all the good signs.


Open your minds a bit, will ya.

Well said, the hate is real with some though and you can't change a mind that dwells in the darkness.
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Don't ask for proof of why the optimism, when you can't prove they will fail. You are using 'proof' from bulldozer and rebranded 300 series, so I could use 'proof' of chips and GPu's from even earlier eras couldn't I? No difference. It's all not relevant.

AMD's claims for Zen are far different to the claims for bulldozer.

Of course AMD need to start making money soon, that's why they've made certain choices to what they will focus on releasing first.

Why don't you contact Lisa Su and tell her what she's doing wrong? I'm sure if she had the time she would explain to you how it works in reality, and that they can't compete at every level instantly due to many reasons. You're still carrying on about the mobile chips that aren't physically ready.

Is it that you think they are a bunch of bufoons just stuffing up things 'cos they AMD'?

I'm just not sure what you are actually expecting them to do, which would please you or give you some level of optimism about their future.
The chips they are selling right now, the actions they took only a year ago, are somehow just as unrelevant as what they did in 2010? What is it with people these days and refusing everything that isnt happening RIGHT NOW?
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Well said, the hate is real with some though and you can't change a mind that dwells in the darkness.
Where is this hatred? I never said I wanted AMD to fail, I've said the opposite, quite a few times. I dont run around saying AMDEAD, like some forum monkeys do. I just do not see a reason to trust AMD here, when they are already making questionable moves. Again.
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This re-branding of mobile parts in a best case scenario should only last 6-12 months. I'm sure they've gone over their business plan many times and are doing the best they can with what they have lol.
So another year of nvidia dominance for everything that isnt the high end parts? Great, just like maxwell was. Which still makes no sense. They have polaris 11 for both the 480m and 480mx, but they also have a 485mx that is 28nm? Why? that chip shouldnt exist. And there were no p11 chips that could be cut down as 470s? That makes no sense from a business stand point, or a technical standpoint.
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The chips they are selling right now, the actions they took only a year ago, are somehow just as unrelevant as what they did in 2010? What is it with people these days and refusing everything that isnt happening RIGHT NOW?
Where is this hatred? I never said I wanted AMD to fail, I've said the opposite, quite a few times. I dont run around saying AMDEAD, like some forum monkeys do. I just do not see a reason to trust AMD here, when they are already making questionable moves. Again.
So another year of nvidia dominance for everything that isnt the high end parts? Great, just like maxwell was. Which still makes no sense. They have polaris 11 for both the 480m and 480mx, but they also have a 485mx that is 28nm? Why? that chip shouldnt exist. And there were no p11 chips that could be cut down as 470s? That makes no sense from a business stand point, or a technical standpoint.

You must be an experienced business analyst. Which firm do you work for?
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You must be an experienced business analyst. Which firm do you work for?
You dont need to be a business analyst to know that clogging up your market with both old and new products that compete against each other is a bad idea. Or, if you have 2 new products for a market segment, throwing a non competitive, third product from an old line with a similar name does not increase sales, it only causes confusion. Too many choices can hurt sales, especially when one is noticeably inferior to the others, but is masked to look the same as the others.

It's called overchoice "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overchoice". three GPUS in the same segment is too much, the market proved that before. Thats why we typically get two choices per segment, 370 and 370x, 970 and 980, 290 and 290x, ece.
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The chips they are selling right now, the actions they took only a year ago, are somehow just as unrelevant as what they did in 2010? What is it with people these days and refusing everything that isnt happening RIGHT NOW?
Where is this hatred? I never said I wanted AMD to fail, I've said the opposite, quite a few times. I dont run around saying AMDEAD, like some forum monkeys do. I just do not see a reason to trust AMD here, when they are already making questionable moves. Again.
So another year of nvidia dominance for everything that isnt the high end parts? Great, just like maxwell was. Which still makes no sense. They have polaris 11 for both the 480m and 480mx, but they also have a 485mx that is 28nm? Why? that chip shouldnt exist. And there were no p11 chips that could be cut down as 470s? That makes no sense from a business stand point, or a technical standpoint.

Right now they have just announced the new products, it will take some time to get these into all their product lines, I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to fathom.

Blind negativity and ignorance of facts can easily be confused for hatred. You choose to ignore the fact that they cannot possibly use polaris in their mobile gpus yet.

You don't know enough of the details surrounding their production to assume they are making questionable moves, this is why I called you an armchair expert. It's laughable.

Nvidia may dominate another year yes. That is just reality for AMD making a comeback. The real ground should be made in 2017/2018. If it's not made during that time they are in dire trouble.

It makes no sense to you, because you don't know the complexities of the situation, neither do I honestly. If they could have polaris everywhere right now they would, it's not a hard concept to grasp that it's just not possible. They are not holding back tech to make themselves suffer and to frustrate you as an enthusiast.

Again obviously there isn't enough chips to make enough for mobile parts in large volumes for OEMs. It sucks from a business standpoint but it is what it is.

You're assuming AMD are just stupid, instead of using logic to analyze why these things are happening.
Edited by Waitng4realGPU - 6/15/16 at 10:24am
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