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Well PowerDVD 16 is supposed to support the format... as per their format page "Note: PowerDVD supports 4K UltraHD video in H.264 / MP4 format at bitrates up to 60 Mbps."

I've got Deadpool an d watched it on my PC... but I just have the standard BluRay and no 4K displays. So I can't personally comment on if its an issue for everyone. It could be one of the movies that will need an update... can't say for sure.
Pretty sure that simply means it supports 4k video in general such as something you record with a 4k camera. It does not support the video encoded with HEVC such as movies.
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I can read the disk just fine it shows up it recognizes the name of the disk I can browse it but even after downloading vlc and hevc 265 or whatever codec I sill can't are you seriously telling me a brand new bd dive and a WAAAAAAAAAY more powerful computer in EVERY way compared to those stand alone players can't play it? Bull mother f@$&ing s#!t!
PowerDVD are developing software with UHD support- so will have to wait a few months.
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Well PowerDVD 16 is supposed to support the format... as per their format page "Note: PowerDVD supports 4K UltraHD video in H.264 / MP4 format at bitrates up to 60 Mbps."

I've got Deadpool an d watched it on my PC... but I just have the standard BluRay and no 4K displays. So I can't personally comment on if its an issue for everyone. It could be one of the movies that will need an update... can't say for sure.

UltraHD Blu Ray doesn't use H264, but H265. Now H265 isn't a problem, as it's the successor of H264 and for 1080p MPC-HC already plays it. The problem is that 1) You need new Blue Ray player, with support to the new format and new AACS DRM decryption and 2) Software player, 3) HDCP 2.2 compliant GPU and monitor. Only 3 is available.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/26-home-theater-computers/2293498-uhd-blu-ray-disc-bdxl-drive-test-request-14.html

All praise the DRM! ("I am not a pirate, so i don't care about DRM! It works fine on my PC!". Now, pay again for new hardware, sucker.
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See here's the thing... I've GOT the hardware. I've got one of the few drives that supports the disks, HDCP 2.2? No problem for a GTX970... And I'm positive my tv would work if it were hooked up to one of these crappy standalone players. No it is NOT hardware.
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Just wait a little for Anydvd devs to do their magic.
It's not pirating if you own the disc thumb.gif
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See here's the thing... I've GOT the hardware. I've got one of the few drives that supports the disks, HDCP 2.2? No problem for a GTX970... And I'm positive my tv would work if it were hooked up to one of these crappy standalone players. No it is NOT hardware.

Are you sure about that? You should really read the link i posted. I also have a current LG x16 BD-burner, but i don't see in any spec that supports UHD. What's your model?


Even if you have some ultrarecent model where this doesn't apply:
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And from the looks of the answer I got back from LG, who knows how long, if ever.
I've been bugging them for a while now and all I ever get are these generic answers.


"Life’s Good! Thank you for contacting LG Electronics Email Service! I understand your concern and it’s my pleasure to assist you with this.

For now, computer drive that can read the new UHD Blu-ray is not yet available and regrettably, we don’t have the idea about its availability. However we have submitted this query to the management. That’s why we have VOC (Voice of Customer) so the department in charge will be able to look into this for vast improvements or further actions. We will make sure these reports are being reviewed by LG management periodically and being utilized as valuable inputs for consideration in our products and services to innovation, which strives to always provide best customer service and deliver the best product possible to the market.


I wish to provide you more favorable answer. Your patience is highly appreciated and we thank you for being the best part of LG! Please contact us again via Email, Live Chat or by calling 800-243-0000 if you need further assistance. We will be more than happy to assist you".


Then you have this other problem, from the Cyberlink (PowerDVD) forum administrator, who explains why PowerDVD doesn't support UHD:
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Hi Jeff R 1

That is why I am asking. The release date of UHD Blu-ray disc drive is 2017. So at the moment, there is no drive on the market, that supports UHD Blu-ray disc's playback.

Best regards
Hicham[/SPOILER]


http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/47675.page#top


In other words, happy waiting. And make no mistake. The intention of the general entertaining industry is to make it harder and harder for the average Joe, to have his own collection. The intention is to eventually drive him to an online service, much like an online Steam library, where you will have no content on your own hard drive, so that they can charge whatever and whenever they like for any of your devices and make sure your buddy doesn't come to your home to borrow your disk. That's the end game.


Bottom line, accoding to who you want to believe:

- There is no drive and new DRM capable software at the moment.
- There is a drive but no software.
- There isn't a drive but there is software.

The easiest part is to have HDCP 2.2 GPU and monitor. But the previous part is still not working.
Edited by Undervolter - 6/16/16 at 7:46am
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post #27 of 35
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Just wait a little for Anydvd devs to do their magic.
It's not pirating if you own the disc thumb.gif

That's what I thought that
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Are you sure about that? You should really read the link i posted. I also have a current LG x16 BD-burner, but i don't see in any spec that supports UHD. What's your model?



Even if you have some ultrarecent model where this doesn't apply:
Then you have this other problem, from the Cyberlink (PowerDVD) forum administrator, who explains why PowerDVD doesn't support UHD:
In other words, happy waiting. And make no mistake. The intention of the general entertaining industry is to make it harder and harder for the average Joe, to have his own collection. The intention is to eventually drive him to an online service, much like an online Steam library, where you will have no content on your own hard drive, so that they can charge whatever and whenever they like for any of your devices and make sure your buddy doesn't come to your home to borrow your disk. That's the end game.

Yeah it's not 16x just looked it up it's 12x but the model number is UH12NS40 and the description clearly states 128GB discs also I can read the disk just fine if I try to copy a file over it's SUPER fast 740~ MB/sec (according to windows file copy speed so grain of salt and all but still)


It MAY be the end game but right now I've got hardware capable of reading it and I've got the physical disk so I will have to wait but hopefully not long as I'm for sure not the smartest person trying to do this exact thing.
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That's what I thought that
Yeah it's not 16x just looked it up it's 12x but the model number is UH12NS40 and the description clearly states 128GB discs also I can read the disk just fine if I try to copy a file over it's SUPER fast 740~ MB/sec (according to windows file copy speed so grain of salt and all but still)


It MAY be the end game but right now I've got hardware capable of reading it and I've got the physical disk so I will have to wait but hopefully not long as I'm for sure not the smartest person trying to do this exact thing.

128GB disc is simply a measure of capacity (BD-XL). The rip speed is again, irrelevant. I don't have any UHD disk to try, but the previous model than mine, can't play UHD:

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There was a report over at AVS forum of someone trying to use PowerDVD 15 with a LG W16NS40 BDXL drive (SVC code NS50), with the same model number and the old code of NS40 it does not work.
Power DVD 15 would see the title, but nothing would happen when the play button was pressed.

I suspect the problem is that DVD 15 is not AACS 2.0 enabled, even if it has all the correct codecs and capabilities to play the new UHD Blu-ray's.

http://forum.cyberlink.com/forum/posts/list/47675.page#top

I own a newer drive than that (i bought it last month! see my main sig) and in LG's homepage, in specs, there is NOTHING, no information whatsoever, about whether or not it can play UHD. Apparently, not even the admin of PowerDVD forum has clear idea of what's happening. And frankly, neither do i.

You can certainly BURN an 128GB BR. Whether or not you can play encrypted UHD format disc, is a totally different story. And LG has nothing on the website. If we believe the lady at the LG help that said to that poster that no LG drive can read UHD, then our drives are useless.
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See, that's my newer BD- Burner:

http://www.lg.com/us/burners-drives/lg-BH16NS40-internal-blu-ray-dvd-drive

It says, it can read BR, 3D BR, M-Disc. And...


BDMV (AACS Compliant Disc)


It says NOTHING about UHD and AACS 2.0...

In poor words, we' re busted. The good boys have changed the DRM and so our drives, while technically SHOULD be able to play UHD, they probably CAN'T, because there is no mention about AACS 2.0. Unless we get lucky and LG feels generous one day and lands us a new firmware, which i doubt.

All hail the DRM God! 65 euros drive, bought last month and can't play UHD. To that, add my older BD drive, which also can't play them (of course). I tell you, the ultimate goal, is to make you jump through so many hoops, that you will prefer to pay an online service or subscription and watch your films streamed over the internet. And it will happen, because when the sheep were cheering "i don't have problem with DRM, i am not a pirate, are you?" , the DRM kept getting more and more invasive, the sheep more and more accustomed and now it's a "standard". The next standard will be to have your "in the cloud film library, to free yourself from the burdon of catching up with DRM, worrying about drive compatibility etc". Just wait and see.


EDIT: Personally, i am sick and tired of their little games, i am not buying any UHD disc, end of story. I am not going to change all my hardware everytime they decide on new format or evertime they think that they want better DRM. Older BD players, should have no trouble reading any dual layer BD, no matter its resolution (including 4K) and newer drives (BD-XL) should have no trouble reading any triple layer disc. The only thing that forbids them to do so, is the new DRM. They can go to hell.
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This is also why Kodi, Plex, and Emby are getting more popular. If they haven't changed anything with the new discs on how they function besides the encryption used you'll be able to read them. If they did it shouldn't be a Blu-ray anymore. You just need to wait for an official method or an unofficial method to come out before you can play it.

Does anyone know yet if any standalone players support it yet?
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