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I don't think we ever got the price of the 8GB version. Speculations go from $219 to $249

Latest rumor (posted in another thread) is $249 for 8GB, and up to $299 for AIB cards. Which does impact the value proposition somewhat (and is a big percentage increase in price for AIB cards, if true).
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The AMD Radeon RX 480 4GB model costs $200 and the price for the 8GB variant has been revealed to be $249 only, WCCFTech reported. Custom cards like the XFX, Sapphire and Powercolor models will probably cost $299 upwards as they feature custom coolers and factory overclocked frequencies that will give the user more headroom for overclocking their Polaris 10 graphics card.

Edited by Forceman - 6/19/16 at 6:57am
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Why should it? It is one of the most useless benchmarks in existence.
The scale is nonlinear. Can you tell the difference in performance between the stock R9 290 and overclocked R9 290X below?

I can attest to that. 50 MHz on the 290x and 200MHz on the RAM, and I go from 6.7 to 8.9 in SteamVR. I suspect that "benchmark" is reading clock values, weighting it per GPU vendor and somehow folding that into whatever the actual performance data is.

I think steam VR almost subtracts a point every time the framerate is below 90 or has high latency(?) I think this is done this way because nausea can be induced by vr otherwise.
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Latest rumor (posted in another thread) is $249 for 8GB, and up to $299 for AIB cards. Which does impact the value proposition somewhat (and is a big percentage increase in price for AIB cards, if true).

I would guess that also depends on how the card competes with Nvidia's offerings on price/performance and any future proofing support relative to dx12, etc....
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Latest rumor (posted in another thread) is $249 for 8GB, and up to $299 for AIB cards. Which does impact the value proposition somewhat (and is a big percentage increase in price for AIB cards, if true).

I think the 8GB cards will start with USD 239 for reference versions and the AIB cards with better coolers, better PCB with improved power circuitry and higher clocks will come in at USD 249 - USD 299. The key is how is perf at stocks and how much higher are the clocks on OC version. If the stock card performs at Fury/Nano range and the OC cards at 1400 Mhz provide FuryX/980Ti perf with the rumoured beast mode cards (1500 Mhz and 8+ 6 pin) trading blows with 1070 then AMD will still have outstanding perf/$ given the USD 420-USD 450 for the FE 1070 and the even higher prices on 1070 custom cards. I think AMD have gone for sweet spot for perf/watt with excellent OC headroom. My guess is the Polaris chips will have similar OC headroom as the original HD 7970 cards of roughly 30-35% (925 x 1.35=1250 Mhz) . I think the max clocks with voltage OC on air would top out around 1700 Mhz.
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And that's how the card ends up being a disappointment - people expecting 1700 MHz out of it. We just went through this with the 1080 and the 2.3 GHz on air speculation.

In the span of three days it's gone from 1400, to 1500, to 1600, and now 1700. By launch it'll be clocking to 2 GHz and beating a 1080.
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I would guess that also depends on how the card competes with Nvidia's offerings on price/performance and any future proofing support relative to dx12, etc....

It's still a good absolute value at $300, but that's a hefty difference (for that market range, and especially in percentage terms) from the much touted $200 price. Depends how the cheaper cards overclock though, if you can get in the same clock range with cards like a G1/Gaming X at $249, and the $299 area is Lightning/Matrix range pricing.
Edited by Forceman - 6/19/16 at 7:31am
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And that's how the card ends up being a disappointment - people expecting 1700 MHz out of it. We just went through this with the 1080 and the 2.3 GHz on air speculation.

In the span of three days it's gone from 1400, to 1500, to 1600, and now 1700. By launch it'll be clocking to 2 GHz and beating a 1080.
It's still a good absolute value at $300, but that's a hefty difference (for that market range, and especially in percentage terms) from the much touted $200 price.

We are seeing 16/14nm FINFET bring roughly 35-40% faster clocks over 28nm. We saw it with A9 going from 1.4 Ghz A7 at 28nm to 1.85 Ghz A9 at 16/14nm FINFET. We saw Nvidia go from 1216 Mhz on GTX 980 to 1733 Mhz on GTX 1080. Similarly we saw 1550 mhz max clocks on Maxwell go up to 2.1 Ghz max clocks on Pascal. I don't think its a stretch that AMD can extract similar clocking gains from the original GCN chips clocked at 925 Mhz. Remember Nvidia's Pascal clock gains are from the much improved Maxwell on a mature 28nm process and not Kepler from a immature 28nm process. Similarly Apple 7 which launched in late 2013 was also on a relatively mature 28nm process. So actually 1.7 Ghz max OC with voltage on air should not be difficult. Let me give you a clue. The GF14LPP RVT which is used for low leakage transistors maxes out at 1.8 Ghz. The 14LPP LVT which is for higher leakage transistors and reaching higher clocks maxes at 2.4 Ghz. btw that presentation is quite old (just above a year)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPQvgzL_DSc&feature=youtu.be&t=2209
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Well, good luck finding your 1700 MHz 480. I'm guessing they are all tucked away with the 2.3Ghz 1080s.
Edited by Forceman - 6/19/16 at 7:47am
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Well, good luck finding your 1700 MHz 480.

I guess we will have the same luck as hitting 2100 Mhz on 1080 on air. tongue.gif
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I guess we will have the same luck as hitting 2100 Mhz on 1080 on air. tongue.gif

Lol. Man. you'd think all these pascal owners would be happily playing some games or benching instead of hanging around an AMD thread for weeks. Wouldn't their time be better spent trying to get their GPU to sit at 2.1Ghz while only running 67 degrees?
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Lol. Man. you'd think all these pascal owners would be happily playing some games or benching instead of hanging around an AMD thread for weeks. Wouldn't their time be better spent trying to get their GPU to sit at 2.1Ghz while only running 67 degrees?

well said.thumb.gif
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