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That's Deneb not Thuban. Why compare quad core vs 8 core?
oh is it 8 cores now? I thought they were just hyperthreaded quads
none of those games use all cores anyway, most probably use 2.
your point that K10 cores destroy piledriver even with less clocks is wrong.
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That's Deneb not Thuban. Why compare quad core vs 8 core?
oh is it 8 cores now? I thought they were just hyperthreaded quads
none of those games use all cores anyway, most probably use 2.
your point that K10 cores destroy piledriver even with less clocks is wrong.

Most new games can load up to eight cores. You only need to look at the load on i7's and these FX's to see that we're past the days of single threaded performance.

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That's Deneb not Thuban. Why compare quad core vs 8 core?
oh is it 8 cores now? I thought they were just hyperthreaded quads

none of those games use all cores anyway, most probably use 2.

your point that K10 cores destroy piledriver even with less clocks is wrong.
Most new games can load up to eight cores. You only need to look at the load on i7's and these FX's to see that we're past the days of single threaded performance.

I really need to do this with my x4's and 6's
http://www.overclock.net/t/1591786/just-in-case-you-thought-more-than-4-cores-wasnt-helpful-for-gaming
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chatter chatter.

I did say earlier I have disabled 2 cores of the fx4300 before and got worse performance in some cases.


its usually the intel guys who claim its a chopped quad.


in older applications, a phenom quad clocked the same as an FX quad will perform nearly the same from the keyboard side of things. benchmarks are GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE to use as a comparison for day to day uses.


for the sake of personal curiosity, I will disable 2 of my 1035T's cores and run it for a few days. Im sure it will show a decrease, especially in a game like BeamNG when Im destroying stuff for pure entertainment.

EDIT past the days of single threaded performance? no way dude. Id rather have a quadcore sitting around 4GHz than an 8 core sitting around 2.5 or 3GHz
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chatter chatter.

I did say earlier I have disabled 2 cores of the fx4300 before and got worse performance in some cases.


its usually the intel guys who claim its a chopped quad.


in older applications, a phenom quad clocked the same as an FX quad will perform nearly the same from the keyboard side of things. benchmarks are GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE to use as a comparison for day to day uses.


for the sake of personal curiosity, I will disable 2 of my 1035T's cores and run it for a few days. Im sure it will show a decrease, especially in a game like BeamNG when Im destroying stuff for pure entertainment.

EDIT past the days of single threaded performance? no way dude. Id rather have a quadcore sitting around 4GHz than an 8 core sitting around 2.5 or 3GHz

Depending on the workload lower clocked many core chips can perform better than a higher clocked fewer core chip, which is why some Xeons and Opterorns come at a lower clock yet pretty high price. For gaming it depends entirely on the game, as in some games a six core Intel chip performs better than a quad core HT i7 due to having more cores and threads, despite its lower clock speed.

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when I talk about daily use, why do you bring up xeons?

Of course there are workoads out there that want more slow cores than a couple fast cores.



That isnt the point I am making.


There is a market out there that can take advantage of 100 separate physical cores. Still wont make browsing the internet and watching videos any faster at all.

Unless Im foolish enough to open 2500 tabs lol
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chatter chatter.

I did say earlier I have disabled 2 cores of the fx4300 before and got worse performance in some cases.


its usually the intel guys who claim its a chopped quad.


in older applications, a phenom quad clocked the same as an FX quad will perform nearly the same from the keyboard side of things. benchmarks are GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE to use as a comparison for day to day uses.


for the sake of personal curiosity, I will disable 2 of my 1035T's cores and run it for a few days. Im sure it will show a decrease, especially in a game like BeamNG when Im destroying stuff for pure entertainment.

EDIT past the days of single threaded performance? no way dude. Id rather have a quadcore sitting around 4GHz than an 8 core sitting around 2.5 or 3GHz

I'd rather have an 8 core FX at 5 ghz than almost any quad made - even the i 7's (at least the ones prior to Skylake - I currently own 2600k,3770k and 4790k's). Much quicker when bouncing around between applications on the desktop. It's funny, I can run the FX's for months at a time without missing the i7's but I don't think I've made it more than 3 weeks on the i 7's without missing the FX badly enough to go back to it .
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I know its a quad core but it DOES NOT perform like a quad core, hence why I said "like". The FX4300 is outclassed by the quad core Phenoms and the FX6300 is outclassed by the Thubans. The only TRUE upgrade from either are the FX83xx and above.
That's nonsense. I've run plenty of K10 quads and K15h quads. A Deneb clocked over 4 GHz is competitive with an Piledriver quad if you're not using any AVX, but a Deneb is never going to "outclass" an FX-4300 unless the FX-4300 is running at stock and the Deneb is heavily overclocked.

I have a few Deneb chips lying around. If they were better than my 870K, I would use one of them. But they're not even competitive with the 870K, granted that it's a Steamroller and therefore has higher IPC than an FX-4300.

A 1035T is usually a better choice than a 4300, but only because it's overclockable and has six cores vs. four. I ran a 1035T in my primary rig for about a year in the 2012-13 time frame. Got it up to 3.7 GHz with on 1.45v. Great CPU. I replaced it with an FX-8350, but really didn't need to.
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chatter chatter.
in older applications, a phenom quad clocked the same as an FX quad will perform nearly the same from the keyboard side of things. benchmarks are GARBAGE GARBAGE GARBAGE to use as a comparison for day to day uses.

EDIT past the days of single threaded performance? no way dude. Id rather have a quadcore sitting around 4GHz than an 8 core sitting around 2.5 or 3GHz
Correct on both counts. Especially that Cine 11.5 that he was using as a basis for comparison. Cine 11.5 can't even handle the CMT architecture of a K15h CPU properly; it was released before Bulldozer came out. I have Cine 11.5 benchmarks showing a stock 8350 barely beating a 1035T at 3.7, but in the real world on multithread apps, the 8350 spanks a 1035T.

You'd rather have the fast quad for everyday tasks over a slow octocore. For rendering/encoding or server applications, the 2.5 GHz octocore is the better choice. For almost anything else, take the 4 GHz quad. Or save your pennies and get a Vishera so you can just have a 4 GHz octocore. thumb.gif
     
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Actually I am leaning towards grabbing a 1090T or 1100T for the unlocked multiplier.

I think I would be absolutely stoked to have a Phenom 6 core running over 4GHz

plus the only FX 8 cores I would consider grabbing is an 8350 or a 9590, and they go for more money than is worth the performance. Maybe if I found one for 50-80 bucks. Which wont be for a few more years, if at all

the only freaking downside to phenom/thuban? on my asus board, AM3 only unlocks ram to 1600. requires bus clocking to get higher, and I just got a 2133 ram set of 4x8gb. Plus found out tRAS is limited to only 30 on this board (latest BIOS) so Im actually running the ram closer to 2100 so I can keep memtest happy from throwing fits after a 12 hour test
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Actually I am leaning towards grabbing a 1090T or 1100T for the unlocked multiplier.

I think I would be absolutely stoked to have a Phenom 6 core running over 4GHz

plus the only FX 8 cores I would consider grabbing is an 8350 or a 9590, and they go for more money than is worth the performance. Maybe if I found one for 50-80 bucks. Which wont be for a few more years, if at all

the only freaking downside to phenom/thuban? on my asus board, AM3 only unlocks ram to 1600. requires bus clocking to get higher, and I just got a 2133 ram set of 4x8gb. Plus found out tRAS is limited to only 30 on this board (latest BIOS) so Im actually running the ram closer to 2100 so I can keep memtest happy from throwing fits after a 12 hour test

There is no reason to get 8350, when any 83xx can overclock to 4.5Ghz. I have 8320 and have passed IBT AVX at 4.5Ghz. I have 8300 and have brought it to 4Ghz at only 1.26v (that's less than stock voltage for 8350), so most likely it can go to 4.5Ghz easily.

In the US, i read people often finding 8300 for 90$. When FX goes EOL in a few months, i expect something like this: 4300: 40$, 6300: 60$, 8320E: 80$. And i mean unused chips.

Past 4Ghz on Thuban is very difficult. The normal wall is at 4Ghz AFAIK, some less fortunate ones, stop at 3.8Ghz.
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