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why did TPU write an article about this only now and not years ago? they host GPU bioses, they even write next to bios which is from review sample, so they were aware that review cards often have different bios than retail ones. i find it very hard to believe that TPU noticed this just now. doh.gif
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Originally Posted by Glottis View Post

why did TPU write an article about this only now and not years ago? they host GPU bioses, they even write next to bios which is from review sample, so they were aware that review cards often have different bios than retail ones. i find it very hard to believe that TPU noticed this just now. doh.gif

They are writing the article now because a French website found it and called them out on it.

http://www.hardware.fr/news/14693/gtx-10x0-asus-msi-bios-special-presse.html
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Totally deceptive.

They introduce a new way to OC (via their propriety software), don't tell anyone about it, and then ship cards to reviewers with a different configuration than the retail products.

When I buy a SC or SSC card from EVGA, it doesn't need any software to get to the maximum boost speeds advertised on the box.

When I buy a card with 2 BIOS's, I know there is an industry standard toggle switch between the two.

How convenient this "misunderstanding" helped MSI and ASUS get better reviews. rolleyes.gif

More scummy actions by Asian PC manufacturers. Between Asus's customer support, Samsung sweeping defective SSDs under the rug, and this issue with MSI and Asus, I don't think I'll do business with many PC parts makers from overseas. It doesn't matter where the actual products are made, the consumer-facing company that handles warranties, etc. is what matters. And it seems like the seedy practices in the PC market are starting to mainly come from the East.

It isn't a "new" way to over clock. MSI Afterburner has had the ability to switch between profiles for some time now. You can still overclock the enthusiast's way if you want. Or, If you would prefer to reboot your system to change to a manufacturers's predefined overclock, then keep your old card, that is fine too.
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post #44 of 100
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Unbelievable! They should do it like Nvidia did it, just pick one random from a pallet and send that to reviewers!

How is an outright lie with an elaborate deception better? Either A) the card he picked was not random and it was a pre-chosen card to be picked from the stack or B) the whole pallet was binned ahead of time and every card on there was a "golden chip". No one else gets 2,115 MHz on any old card, nearly all of them including AIB custom versions top at 2,050. Nor do any of the other cards run at 67 degrees under any normal conditions at anywhere close to those speeds. Further, the Nvidia chip did not throttle during the test running during the demo, which means it had something else special done to it, as all retail cards people have gotten have throttling problems on the reference cooler after just a few minutes. Nothing about that "random card off a pallet" demo was truthful.
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post #45 of 100
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why did TPU write an article about this only now and not years ago? they host GPU bioses, they even write next to bios which is from review sample, so they were aware that review cards often have different bios than retail ones. i find it very hard to believe that TPU noticed this just now. doh.gif

MSi and Asus forgot to pay their dues. wink.gif
post #46 of 100
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

Totally deceptive.

They introduce a new way to OC (via their propriety software), don't tell anyone about it, and then ship cards to reviewers with a different configuration than the retail products.

When I buy a SC or SSC card from EVGA, it doesn't need any software to get to the maximum boost speeds advertised on the box.

When I buy a card with 2 BIOS's, I know there is an industry standard toggle switch between the two.

How convenient this "misunderstanding" helped MSI and ASUS get better reviews. rolleyes.gif

More scummy actions by Asian PC manufacturers. Between Asus's customer support, Samsung sweeping defective SSDs under the rug, and this issue with MSI and Asus, I don't think I'll do business with many PC parts makers from overseas. It doesn't matter where the actual products are made, the consumer-facing company that handles warranties, etc. is what matters. And it seems like the seedy practices in the PC market are starting to mainly come from the East.

'East. Alwaaaayyyss to the East'
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post #47 of 100
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Originally Posted by umeng2002 View Post

Totally deceptive.

They introduce a new way to OC (via their propriety software), don't tell anyone about it, and then ship cards to reviewers with a different configuration than the retail products.

When I buy a SC or SSC card from EVGA, it doesn't need any software to get to the maximum boost speeds advertised on the box.

When I buy a card with 2 BIOS's, I know there is an industry standard toggle switch between the two.

How convenient this "misunderstanding" helped MSI and ASUS get better reviews. rolleyes.gif

More scummy actions by Asian PC manufacturers. Between Asus's customer support, Samsung sweeping defective SSDs under the rug, and this issue with MSI and Asus, I don't think I'll do business with many PC parts makers from overseas. It doesn't matter where the actual products are made, the consumer-facing company that handles warranties, etc. is what matters. And it seems like the seedy practices in the PC market are starting to mainly come from the East.

Here here! And from what I have heard, these Asian companies also treat their suppliers like utter garbage, even when the company itself made the original mistake.
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doh.gif
because one step boost will make any difference

It makes a huge difference, reviewers are supposed to review the product that you, the consumer, are planning on getting. Or you would have to review it purely on aestetics as benchmarks will not be indicative on the actual performance of the product.
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Not only are they cherry picked. The manufacturers know a good percentage are going in open air test benches so boosts can be hit more often.
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doh.gif
because one step boost will make any difference

Why would someone buy a similarly priced card that reviews slower? Even if it's like 3 frames, it's still going to influence someone. A higher power limit can also let the card boost higher when the retail card would be limited a touch more.
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