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So if reviewers would have never reviewed the 290x in Uber Mode and just left it in quiet mode, everyone would have been ok with that?
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If you're trying to draw parallels, it'd be more like if AMD sent reviewers 290X that was in Uber mode by default, while they shipped retail cards in Quiet mode. And no that would not be ok either.
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And why should they? A proper review means you unbox the card, plug it into the test bench, install drivers, then benchmark away with it. I mean that's what 90% of the population does right?

That is what I was making the comparison to.

If review sites would have only reviewed the 290x in quiet mode AMD fans would have been up in arms about these Nvidia sponsored review sites not giving a legitimate review of the 290x.
Edited by bigjdubb - 6/17/16 at 4:30pm
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Gotta love EVGA.
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http://techreport.com/news/30283/asus-and-msi-face-accusations-of-doping-review-graphics-cards
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Still, reviewers have a right to demand hardware that's identical to the stuff consumers will be getting, and we'll be pressing Asus and MSI to furnish us with firmware or cards that match what retail buyers should expect on store shelves from here on out
https://www.techpowerup.com/223440/msi-and-asus-send-vga-review-samples-with-higher-clocks-than-retail-cards
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This, we feel, is not 100% representative of retail cards, and is questionable tactics by the two companies. This BIOS tweaking could also open the door to more elaborate changes like a quieter fan profile or different power management.

http://www.pcper.com/news/Cases-and-Cooling/ASUS-Responds-GTX-1080-Reviewer-VBIOS-Concerns
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Having a process in place at all to create a deviation from retail cards on press hardware is questionable, other than checking for functionality to avoid shipping DOA hardware to someone on a deadline.

but what do reviewers know, amirite? rolleyes.gif
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That is what I was making the comparison to.

If review sites would have only reviewed the 290x in quiet mode AMD fans would have been up in arms about these Nvidia sponsored review sites not giving a legitimate review of the 290x.

I dunno, I still feel it's different. The 290X is well known to have an absolutely craptastic cooler and throttled pretty badly on quiet mode, which affected its stock performance. Here we're talking about AIB cards that have no issues with thermal throttling and reaching their stock level of performance, and any "OC mode" is just bonus performance that varies across different manufacturers. Whereas the stock 290X has a maximum top rated boost of 1GHz.
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Gotta love EVGA.

Wish they weren't Nvidia exclusive...
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Wish they weren't Nvidia exclusive...

Same here.
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Well they didn't know enough to mention the variations in the clock speeds from the rated specs until someone else called them out on it. The clock speeds for each mode are clearly stated in the specs, they took GPU-Z shots of the settings out of the box, which clearly show that the cards were in OC mode, and failed to mention it anywhere in their article. Now they are attempting to take the high road and garner some appreciation of the anti Nvidia/Asus/MSI/Big Business crowd. Luckily for them that crowd is fairly dense and equipped with slick foreheads making it easy to pull the wool.

I understand the issue that everyone has. I don't disagree with having some distrust in the two manufacturers for not being upfront with the tech sites about it the setting. What I disagree with the idea that the sites are blameless and that this somehow inflated the test results. The cards should have been tested in it's default mode and it's maximum setting since it is available and easily implemented. There would be exactly zero problems if the card was sent out with a note stating that it was set to it's max setting/OC Mode. The test sites could have tested the cards in all modes and we would have a complete review of the product instead of the half baked attempt we got.
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You see what's wrong with us?

We still buy their products, but we really shouldn't, because we are taken as idiots. Albeit most people on Overclock fall in a small percentage of consumer market that is smarter overall, but still....

Companies treat us like idiots, until someone speaks the truth about something that should be laid out in the open.

L-O-L this 1080 launch is perhaps the most toxic in terms of lies from manufacturers and expectations from consumer. I swear, I would buy AMD if they had anything remotely good compared to 1080.
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